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Class warfare is between the rich and the poor. What do you think?
Originally posted by AThousandYoungDisagree.
Class warfare is between the rich and the poor. What do you think?
Originally posted by KazetNagorraThen how come poor people keep getting shot by cops in defense of rich peoples' capital?
"Class warfare" is meaningless rhetoric.
Originally posted by rwingettIt's not the middle class who get shot by capitalist minions and/or government agents. It's the poor.
Disagree.
Class warfare is between capitalist class and the laboring class. The distinction between the middle class and the poor is just a subdivision of the laboring class. It is a distinction the capitalist class is eager to accentuate in order to weaken the class consciousness of the laboring class as a whole. It is more difficult for a stratified w ...[text shortened]... a unified outlook, which, in turn, weakens their strength and makes them easier to keep in line.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraClass warfare is what built the middle class. But, paradoxically, building a middle class is what diluted class consciousness over time. A divided labor force, without class consciousness, is weakened against a capitalist class which constantly seeks to undermine those middle class gains. As the middle class shrinks, one would hope that a class consciousness would return to the labor force and the cycle would begin again.
"Class warfare" is meaningless rhetoric.
Originally posted by rwingettMany members of the "capitalist class" are lower and "middle class" people if, by capitalist, you mean entrepreneur or business founder and many people who are rich have gotten there strictly based on salary.
Disagree.
Class warfare is between capitalist class and the laboring class. The distinction between the middle class and the poor is just a subdivision of the laboring class. It is a distinction the capitalist class is eager to accentuate in order to weaken the class consciousness of the laboring class as a whole. It is more difficult for a stratified w ...[text shortened]... a unified outlook, which, in turn, weakens their strength and makes them easier to keep in line.
Originally posted by sh76Yeah, I knew that was coming. You can bicker about who fits into which class, but basically the capitalist class are the ones who own the productive resources of society as private property and the laboring class are those who sell their labor for a wage. Because there is some degree of social mobility and a highly stratified workforce, there are rich laborers and middle class capitalists of varying degrees. It's not all poor campesinos against the rich latifundistas.
Many members of the "capitalist class" are lower and "middle class" people if, by capitalist, you mean entrepreneur or business founder and many people who are rich have gotten there strictly based on salary.
How exactly do you define "capitalist" class?
Originally posted by sh76Capitalists are those who make money from investments of capital i.e. raw materials, buildings and goods which are not used by the owner but are owned only for the purpose of profit while somebody else uses it. Instead of making money through work, they make money through legal ownership of property.
Many members of the "capitalist class" are lower and "middle class" people if, by capitalist, you mean entrepreneur or business founder and many people who are rich have gotten there strictly based on salary.
How exactly do you define "capitalist" class?
Originally posted by rwingettYes it does. He targets banks because the wealth there is capital, not personal property. Everybody knows ripping off The Man is different than ripping off Joe Average in his own home.
Bank robbers being shot by trigger-happy cops has little to do with class warfare.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWhat if you work for a living and also own stock in Google?
Capitalists are those who make money from investments of capital i.e. raw materials, buildings and goods which are not used by the owner but are owned only for the purpose of profit while somebody else uses it. Instead of making money through work, they make money through legal ownership of property.
The capitalist neither creates wealth nor uses ...[text shortened]... off when the government prints money because it undermines their ownership of all the wealth.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungPlease. Even I'm not going to buy that one. The bank robber is not doing anything to advance the cause of the laboring class. He's motivated solely by personal gain. Therefore it is not a form of class warfare. It's simply a random crime, even if it does come at the expense of the rich.
Yes it does. He targets banks because the wealth there is capital, not personal property. Everybody knows ripping off The Man is different than ripping off Joe Average in his own home.
Originally posted by sh76Depends on the details. "Owning stock in Google" is not quite the same as "owning an apartment building" or "owning a factory". "Stock in Google" is an abstraction, not physical wealth.
What if you work for a living and also own stock in Google?
Which class are you part of?
Originally posted by rwingettIt has everything to do with class warfare. It's instinctive. None of this intellectual collectivist Communist crap that the elites use to snare gullible but angry "useful idiots".
Bank robbers being shot by trigger-happy cops has little to do with class warfare.