Originally posted by usmc7257Well said!
how did you know that is what i am taught? have you been through it? you havent the slightest idea of what goes on in basic training besides some made for tv special you might have seen. i dont think you would have lasted one week in the marine corps. i am not brainwashed and i have my own ideals on the government. i am not saying they are always right, but ...[text shortened]... nt want it removed is because it makes you look like an ingnorant, over opinionated horses arse.
Originally posted by usmc7257You can't use the word 'arse' here.
how did you know that is what i am taught? have you been through it? you havent the slightest idea of what goes on in basic training besides some made for tv special you might have seen. i dont think you would have lasted one week in the marine corps. i am not brainwashed and i have my own ideals on the government. i am not saying they are always right, but ...[text shortened]... nt want it removed is because it makes you look like an ingnorant, over opinionated horses arse.
You have to refer to it as derriere.
On a whole other note: You have no idea what I've been through, so please refrain from second guessing how long I'd have lasted in your little macho unit.
As for killing babies, it might not be in the job description, but HIROSHIMA killed 70.000 women and children...Then Nagasaki. In full knowledge there were children there. Little babies having their little bums wiped. All dead. Blasted to pieces. In full knowledge of the government and the moral crusaders who pulled the trigger, dropped the bombs and flew the planes.
Same goes for the Vietnam war. Millions dead. In FULL KNOWLEDGE that children were living in those little Cambodian villages mr. Kissinger wanted flattened. Little babies sucking their mother's breasts. Burnt to crisps.
Same goes for Iraq. Same goes for Afghanistan. Same goes for every other bloody conflict you use B52 bombers to Blitzkrieg. Well, you may call it shock and awe, but it's a bloody blitzkrieg to everyone on the receiving end.
Don't get on your high-horse with me soldier boy, if you know babies are in location x and you still decide to bomb, shell, enter with guns blazing location x....you are a baby killer. Job description or not!
Originally posted by usmc7257Couldnt have said it better myself.
how did you know that is what i am taught? have you been through it? you havent the slightest idea of what goes on in basic training besides some made for tv special you might have seen. i dont think you would have lasted one week in the marine corps. i am not brainwashed and i have my own ideals on the government. i am not saying they are always right, but ...[text shortened]... nt want it removed is because it makes you look like an ingnorant, over opinionated horses arse.
Originally posted by shavixmirShav, why are all of your "examples" American "atrocities"?..why can't you share the wealth and submit some non-American atrocities, such as the rape of Nanking by the Japs...where they tossed babies onto bayonets, Stalins atrocities against Russian Jews and others sent to the Gulags, the Germans and the blood of 6,000,000 Jews (women and children) on their hands,....the Hiroshima and Nagasaki controversy is dead...the bomb saved American soldiers from getting killed, my Father potentially one of them, so if 500,000 Japs (women and children) had to die in order to stop the fanatical Japanese military and civil sector from killing my Father and possibly millions of my fellow Americans, then so be it...the Enola Gay stands as a symbol of deliverence from war in my opinion, so damn the controversy!! Maybe if your father would have been one to storm Tokyo, maybe you wouldn't be so bloody (no pun intended) anti-atom bomb...yeah, we committed atrocities in Viet Nam, but so did your fellow commies, the Viet Cong...terrorizing villages and such...you mention Iraq...why can't you mention the atrocities of Saddam and the Taliban...aren't they guilty of killing children too? You are so ONE SIDED at times that I just want to reach into my computer and...well, I won't go there...it won't chang your outlook from hating America to maybe understanding her....so, continue to drag up atrocities that only America could do, but nobody else...it really makes you seem, well, Talibanish.....😕 🙄
You can't use the word 'arse' here.
You have to refer to it as derriere.
On a whole other note: You have no idea what I've been through, so please refrain from second guessing how long I'd have lasted in your little macho unit.
As for killing babies, it might not be in the job description, but HIROSHIMA killed 70.000 women and children...Then ...[text shortened]... omb, shell, enter with guns blazing location x....you are a baby killer. Job description or not!
Originally posted by chancremechanicHe didn't because I believe he was talking about the American military, after usmc7257 said that baby-killing was not in his job description...
Shav, why are all of your "examples" American "atrocities"?..why can't you share the wealth and submit some non-American atrocities, such as the rape of Nanking by the Japs...where they tossed babies onto bayonets, Stalins atrocities against Russian Jews and others sent to the Gulags, the Germans and the blood of 6,000,000 Jews (women and childr ...[text shortened]... at only America could do, but nobody else...it really makes you seem, well, Talibanish.....😕 🙄
Originally posted by DreamlaXWell, "baby killing" isn't USMC's job description....but shav always uses my country as an example for atrocities....should he not include other countries?
He didn't because I believe he was talking about the American military, after usmc7257 said that baby-killing was not in his job description...
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Originally posted by steerpikeGranted that this Major Smith has made one of the stupidest quotes since the war began, but I believe they made the correct choice. This is not just a piece of broken equipment we are talking about; there are also weapons and possibly other sensitive materials inside that Bradley that the soldiers didn't have time to retrieve because they were too busy trying to get out of harm's way. Not only that, but I'm pretty sure that our civil affairs teams would have instructed the town representatives to tell their people never to approach an Army vehicle, even if it is disabled or burning. (Make that, especially if it's disabled or burning.)
"The helicopter fired on the Bradley to destroy it after it had been hit earlier and it was on fire", said Major Phil Smith of the 1st Cavalry Division. "It was for the safety of the people around it."
So -in the interests of safe ...[text shortened]... independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=561021
Take this from someone who is in the US Army right now. No one wants to kill innocent civilians, let alone women and children, but there are times when that just cannot be helped. War has been like this since the beginning of civilization.
Originally posted by Natural ScienceWell said!!
Granted that this Major Smoth has made one of the stupidest quotes since the war began, but I believe they made the correct choice. This is not just a piece of broken equipment we are talking about; there are also weapons and possibly other sensitive materials inside that Bradley that the soldiers didn't have time to retrieve because they were too ...[text shortened]... es when that just cannot be helped. War has been like this since the beginning of civilization.
I've stated my original position that I believe this was an honest mistake by the pilots and that I do not think that American soldiers commit atrocities as a matter of policy. I believe every armed forces commit atrocities in wars; I also believe that a war like the one in Iraq (a foreign occupier fighting against an underground, guerilla resistance) makes the occupying forces more likely to commit atrocities as the distinction between enemy combatants and enemy sympathizers get blurred (it's seem blurred in some people's minds here). I believe the best way to end the killing of civilians by the US armed forces is to get our armed forces back to the mission envisioned by our country's Founders: protecting the people of the United States not the financial and other interests of a few very wealthy Americans.
Something that hasn't been mentioned, but is of some relevance is that this incident took place not in some isolated town, but in downtown Baghdad less than a mile from the "Green Zone"; the fortified area that serves as the US military's headquarters. Think about it: within walking distance of the headquarters an AFV was disabled, the crew wounded and the US military was not able to retrieve the vehicle without destroying it! I think this shows that the optimist rhetoric flowing from the government and the military is complete BS; this war is going very badly with no signs of an ending. For those with some historicial knowledge, I ask you if the situation isn't worse than the first year American combat troops were in Vietnam; after all the VC were never able to hold entire cities as the Iraqi resistance does now!When you put these facts together, it's pretty clear the only correct policy is to get our troops out as soon as possible and I don't mean "when the job is done" which will be never; I mean now.
Originally posted by no1marauderWell, what can I say...you got a point...
I've stated my original position that I believe this was an honest mistake by the pilots and that I do not think that American soldiers commit atrocities as a matter of policy. I believe every armed forces commit atrocities in wars; I also believe that a war like the one in Iraq (a foreign occupier fighting against an underground, guerilla resi ...[text shortened]... as soon as possible and I don't mean "when the job is done" which will be never; I mean now.
Originally posted by no1marauderI think if the US withdrew now, there would be a general civil war and bloodbath. I don't think there will be a withdrawal any time soon for that reason. (among others: loss of face, the dismemberment of Iraq, Turkish involvement vis a vis the Kurds etc) Tricky minefield.
I've stated my original position that I believe this was an honest mistake by the pilots and that I do not think that American soldiers commit atrocities as a matter of policy. I believe every armed forces commit atrocities in wars; I also believe that a war like the one in Iraq (a foreign occupier fighting against an underground, guerilla resi ...[text shortened]... as soon as possible and I don't mean "when the job is done" which will be never; I mean now.
Originally posted by KneverKnightWhat do you think is going on now but a civil war and a bloodbath?
I think if the US withdrew now, there would be a general civil war and bloodbath. I don't think there will be a withdrawal any time soon for that reason. (among others: loss of face, the dismemberment of Iraq, Turkish involvement vis a vis the Kurds etc) Tricky minefield.