Nakba

Israel’s refusal to grant Palestinian refugees right to return has fueled seven decades of suffering.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2019/05/israels-refusal-to-grant-palestinian-refugees-right-to-return-has-fuelled-seven-decades-of-suffering/

From the NBC link below:

"Palestinians have passed down stories of the Nakba from generation to generation.

“This is a sort of a collective traumatic event in the minds of most Palestinians,” said historian Rashid Khalidi, the Edward Said Professor of Modern Arab Studies at Columbia University. “Back in 1948, the majority of the Arab population of Palestine was actually driven from their homes, and these are things that people remember hearing from their grandparents and their parents.”

The Israeli government has said it doesn’t intend to occupy the Gaza Strip or permanently expel Palestinians. On Sunday, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that the Israelis have “absolutely no intent, no desire, to be running Gaza themselves.”

But some far-right members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud Party support the idea of expelling Palestinians. Hours after the Oct. 7 terrorist attack, Knesset member Ariel Kallner posted a call on social media for another Nakba. “Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48,” he wrote. “Nakba in Gaza and Nakba to anyone who dares to join!”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/palestinians-fear-leave-northern-gaza-may-never-able-return-rcna120950

What the biased NBC article does not mention is this:

"Israel has a long-standing law that prevents any Palestinian who leaves Gaza, or the Occupied West Bank, from ever returning home. The right of return is enshrined in international law; however, Israel does not comply with international law."

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-betrayed-egypt-again/5837872

So when you hear someone ask why they don't just leave Gaza it is because they cannot return and their land will be stolen by Israel......again. After all, it happened before. That is what the Nakba was all about.

Tell Israel to repeal the law that prevents Palestinians from returning to their land after they leave.

Israel is targeting civilians so they will leave. If Israel targeted only Hamas the civilians would stay. That is why they must kill civilians instead.

@Metal-Brain

Even before 1948, the intention was to move the Palestinians:

An immediate cause of the disaster [Nakba] was Palestinian and Arab rejection of the 29 November 1947 United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 (the partition resolution), which awarded the Zionists (who were one-third of the population and owned about 7% of the land) roughly 55 percent of Palestine.

Another immediate contributory cause of alNakba was a Zionist (later Israeli) policy of cleansing, a term used at the time, along with transfer. Many Zionist leaders believed, even before 1948, that in order to establish an ethnically Jewish state, and for the Palestinians to avoid becoming a fifth column within that state, it would be necessary to remove them.

- "Nakba, al-" EncyclopediaDOTcom
https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/nakba-al

Already in 2014, it was known that some Jewish thinkers justified the killing of the innocents and disproportionate retaliation:

… today it is incumbent upon Jews to take on themselves the responsibility for their own survival. This will sometimes involve killing innocent people, if they are close to the enemy, or acting disproportionately when retaliating for some injury done to the State of Israel. This is justified in terms of the necessity to avoid innocent Jews being killed as occurred on such a large scale in the Holocaust.

- “Judaism”, in The Encyclopedia of Applied Ethics (Ed. Ruth Chadwick, Amsterdam, Etc.: Academic Press, 2nd ed., 2012), p. 790

@eintaluj said
@Metal-Brain

Even before 1948, the intention was to move the Palestinians:

An immediate cause of the disaster [Nakba] was Palestinian and Arab rejection of the 29 November 1947 United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 (the partition resolution), which awarded the Zionists (who were one-third of the population and owned about 7% of the land) roughly 55 percent ...[text shortened]... ia of Applied Ethics (Ed. Ruth Chadwick, Amsterdam, Etc.: Academic Press, 2nd ed., 2012), p. 790

That makes no sense. There are about 2,000,000 Palestinians living in Israel, peacefully, happily, with a decent standard of living for both them and their kids. Israel has nothing against peaceful Paletinians and have no intention of moving them. The terrorists in Gaza will have to be forcibly removed.

@rajk999 said
That makes no sense. There are about 2,000,000 Palestinians living in Israel, peacefully, happily, with a decent standard of living for both them and their kids. Israel has nothing against peaceful Paletinians and have no intention of moving them. The terrorists in Gaza will have to be forcibly removed.

Israel is bombing peaceful Palestinians. They are doing that to try and get them to leave. Rooting out all the terrorists is impossible and Israel is not trying to get back the hostages.

Hamas told Israel they can get back all of the hostages if Israel releases all of the Palestinians they have in prison. Israel refused. Keeping the prisoners is more important to them.
Hamas told Israel they would release all of the civilian hostages if Israel stopped bombing Gaza. Israel refused. Israel would rather risk killing the hostages with their bombs than get them back.

How well do you think that is going over with the families and friends of the hostages?

@metal-brain said
Israel is bombing peaceful Palestinians. They are doing that to try and get them to leave. Rooting out all the terrorists is impossible and Israel is not trying to get back the hostages.

Hamas told Israel they can get back all of the hostages if Israel releases all of the Palestinians they have in prison. Israel refused. Keeping the prisoners is more important to them. ...[text shortened]... hem back.

How well do you think that is going over with the families and friends of the hostages?

The Jews do not negotiate with terrorists. That is a long-standing policy that has served them well. Jews know that if they are captured they might most likely die

@rajk999 said
The Jews do not negotiate with terrorists. That is a long-standing policy that has served them well. Jews know that if they are captured they might most likely die

You are a liar.
Israel released over 1000 Palestinian prisoners for 1 Israeli soldier held hostage.

@metal-brain said
You are a liar.
Israel released over 1000 Palestinian prisoners for 1 Israeli soldier held hostage.

Thats a one time exception, which many in the govt did not want to do. This time I doubt it will happen. This negotiation sends the wrong message to Hamas, that hostage holding means power to negotiate That event triggered this round of hostages. Hamas is hoping the Jews negotiate, but the govt said they will not.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hanegbi-israel-wont-negotiate-with-hamas-on-hostages-now-will-remove-it-from-power/

@Rajk999

Stop making stuff up.
One single Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for 1,027 prisoners. And you wonder why they are taking hostages.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange

@rajk999 said
That makes no sense. There are about 2,000,000 Palestinians living in Israel, peacefully, happily, with a decent standard of living for both them and their kids. Israel has nothing against peaceful Paletinians and have no intention of moving them. The terrorists in Gaza will have to be forcibly removed.

Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank have distributed threatening leaflets on cars and left bloodied dolls at schools, warning Palestinians to leave or be killed.

"By God, we will descend upon your heads with a great catastrophe soon. You have the last chance to escape to Jordan in an organised manner," said one leaflet circulated on Friday in the West Bank city of Salfit.

"After that, we will destroy every enemy and forcefully expel you from our holy land … Load your bags immediately and leave wherever you came from. We are coming."

The leaflet also warned of a new "major Nakba", referencing the 1948 displacement of 750,000 Palestinians from their homeland.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-west-bank-attacks-leaflets-blood-dolls-nakba

@rajk999 said
That makes no sense. There are about 2,000,000 Palestinians living in Israel, peacefully, happily, with a decent standard of living for both them and their kids. Israel has nothing against peaceful Paletinians and have no intention of moving them. The terrorists in Gaza will have to be forcibly removed.

Are you suggesting displaced Palestinians are allowed to return to their homes? If so, you are wrong.

International law says they are.
Israel, believe it or not, adheres to an old Ottoman law (not internationally recognised, as the Ottoman empire dispanded in 1919 or something and the law was never really enforced anyways) which states if a town is unlived in for X-amount of years (I forget the stipulation) that it can be resettled.

So, Israel chased out loads of Palestinians, then filled up the villages with their own people.

Take, as a prime examples, Sderot and Ashkelon (both in the news recently). They were, up to 1948/49, the Palestinian villages Najd and Al-Majdal Asqalan.

They were empties (that’s called ethnically cleansed) by Israeli terrorists and then resettled and renamed by Israelis.

Stop thinking that just because Hamas is nasty, that the Israeli government is any better.

@shavixmir said
Are you suggesting displaced Palestinians are allowed to return to their homes? If so, you are wrong.

International law says they are.
Israel, believe it or not, adheres to an old Ottoman law (not internationally recognised, as the Ottoman empire dispanded in 1919 or something and the law was never really enforced anyways) which states if a town is unlived in for X-amou ...[text shortened]... aelis.

Stop thinking that just because Hamas is nasty, that the Israeli government is any better.

Another double standard.

Just answer this:

Am I entitled to re-claim my grandfather's apartment in Berlin? How about my great grandparents' houses? Sure, they don't need it anymore since they were gassed as Auschwitz, but neither do the people displaced from Ashkelon. They're dead too. It's their grandchildren ho are talking about the "return."

Stuff happened in the past. You want to argue about whose fault it was? Go ahead. But saying that grandchildren get to reclaim the cities their grandparents fled? Sorry, history doesn't work like that?

If history did work like that, something tells me we'd do better on the whole than break even.

@sh76 said
Another double standard.

Just answer this:

Am I entitled to re-claim my grandfather's apartment in Berlin? How about my great grandparents' houses? Sure, they don't need it anymore since they were gassed as Auschwitz, but neither do the people displaced from Ashkelon. They're dead too. It's their grandchildren ho are talking about the "return."

Stuff happened in the pa ...[text shortened]... t?

If history did work like that, something tells me we'd do better on the whole than break even.

Are art pieces being returned to the country they were stolen from?

We’re talking about displaced people still living in refugee camps.

And don’t dare come away with the biblical BS, I’ll verbally string you up by your nutsack and smack you around like a pinjata.

@shavixmir said
Are art pieces being returned to the country they were stolen from?

We’re talking about displaced people still living in refugee camps.

And don’t dare come away with the biblical BS, I’ll verbally string you up by your nutsack and smack you around like a pinjata.

===We’re talking about displaced people still living in refugee camps.===

No, you're not. You're talking about the grandchildren of the displaced people.

That the Arab world and its millions of square miles of open land and enormous oil revenue, has shunned the "refugees" so badly that they're still living in "refugee" camps two generations later is unfortunate, but not Israel's problem.

When we've been expelled and driven out all over the place, we didn't whine for a century, even though we had no brethren that controled a million square miles.

Egypt controlled Gaza until 1967. Ask them why they didn't develop the area more. Ask Lebanon. Ask Jordan. Ask the Palestinians themselves why they're focused more on fighting Israel than on developing their own cities. God knows Gaza has gotten enough international aid. But they've used it to build weapons rather than infrastructure. (https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/13/middleeast/hamas-weapons-invs/index.html)

Sure. Israel should do more to foster a sustainable two-state solution. But the Gazans and other Palestinians have to be willing to give up on "from the River to the Sea" which they plainly are not.

@sh76 said
===We’re talking about displaced people still living in refugee camps.===

No, you're not. You're talking about the grandchildren of the displaced people.

That the Arab world and its millions of square miles of open land and enormous oil revenue, has shunned the "refugees" so badly that they're still living in "refugee" camps two generations later is unfortunate, but not Is ...[text shortened]... alestinians have to be willing to give up on "from the River to the Sea" which they plainly are not.

The grand children of the displaced people are still living in refugee camps. Where else do you think they fukking belong? Some other country rather than where they lived? Don't be insane. Just because you want biblical Israel to be a monotonous ethnic hell hole.

So, it's fine for paintings to be returned, but humans not?

Do you even hear what you're saying yourself?