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Nation’s First Supervised Drug-Injection Sites Open in New York

Nation’s First Supervised Drug-Injection Sites Open in New York

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/30/nyregion/supervised-injection-sites-nyc.html

Nation’s First Supervised Drug-Injection Sites Open in New York

New York, the country’s most populous city, became the first U.S. city to open officially authorized injection sites — facilities that opponents view as magnets for drug abuse but proponents praise as providing a less punitive and more effective approach to addressing addiction.
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WORD: fools


In the Netherlands it worked very well.
Lowering drug related deaths, drug related diseases, minimising society’s problems with drug related petty theft, begging, etc. and helping people off heroin.

Less needles on street corners already is less children being accidentally pricked as they pick stuff up.


Once upon a time bars were illegal...they're just supervised drug ingestion sites


@Earl-of-Trumps said
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/30/nyregion/supervised-injection-sites-nyc.html

Nation’s First Supervised Drug-Injection Sites Open in New York

New York, the country’s most populous city, became the first U.S. city to open officially authorized injection sites — facilities that opponents view as magnets for drug abuse but proponents praise as providing ...[text shortened]... s punitive and more effective approach to addressing addiction.
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WORD: fools
What happened to this? San Francisco was set to open the first one in summer of 2018. What happened?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/07/health/safe-injection-sites-san-francisco-opioid-epidemic-bn

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@Suzianne said
What happened to this? San Francisco was set to open the first one in summer of 2018. What happened?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/07/health/safe-injection-sites-san-francisco-opioid-epidemic-bn
If you read the link, you will see that they mention Philadelphia and Boston,, but not San Francisco as cities
that previously proposed this program, but backed down for implementing them due to philosophical/moral concerns


@Earl-of-Trumps said
If you read the link, you will see that they mention Philadelphia and Boston,, but not San Francisco as cities
that previously proposed this program, but backed down for implementing them due to philosophical/moral concerns
What's the libertarian position on people using recreational drugs, Earl?


@Earl-of-Trumps said
If you read the link, you will see that they mention Philadelphia and Boston,, but not San Francisco as cities
that previously proposed this program, but backed down for implementing them due to philosophical/moral concerns
Moral concerns? Not following you here.

Have you even read why New York is doing this?

Government programs should all benefit people. That's what this does, as well as issues which have nearly destroyed marginalized communities the most. This helps people, but people like you try to claim some BS "moral ground", while pointedly failing to ever help these people, unless you call incarceration help.

The right's only solution against people they hate is to "get rid of them". This will not address the actual issues. How "moral" is that?


@Suzianne said
Moral concerns? Not following you here.

Have you even read why New York is doing this?

Government programs should all benefit people. That's what this does, as well as issues which have nearly destroyed marginalized communities the most. This helps people, but people like you try to claim some BS "moral ground", while pointedly failing to ever help these people, unl ...[text shortened]... e they hate is to "get rid of them". This will not address the actual issues. How "moral" is that?
Government should actually use force to get these people into a *true* rehab.
Giving addicts the tools to enhance their addiction is morally repugnant.

My *opinion*

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@no1marauder said
What's the libertarian position on people using recreational drugs, Earl?
It's "Blow your brains out".

I will give license to anyone who can purchase an "addicts health insurance", which of course, would almost never happen.
So you see, my fellow libertarians forget this aspect of drug addiction, the addicts attack on society's wallet.

I don't

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@Earl-of-Trumps said
Government should actually use force to get these people into a *true* rehab.
Giving addicts the tools to enhance their addiction is morally repugnant.

My *opinion*
Yeah, never mind how it might actually help the rest of society that you claim to be a part of.


And just what is *true* rehab to you? Shock "therapy"? Jail? Why not just build a concentration camp for them and gas them on arrival? Yeah, then you can start sending trans people, gay people, all the people that disagree with Trump. The sky's the limit!


@Suzianne said
Yeah, never mind how it might actually help the rest of society that you claim to be a part of.
no no, Suzi, that's *my* argument.

your method makes the problem grow by telling society that government will accept this scurrilous behavior.
And here's how:
The addicts get free needles, free injections by doctors, free narcan, and free medical services at the hospital.

this encourages a society that tolerates this deadly behavior and there are 50 thousand addicts year dying of overdose.


@Suzianne said
Yeah, never mind how it might actually help the rest of society that you claim to be a part of.


And just what is *true* rehab to you? Shock "therapy"? Jail? Why not just build a concentration camp for them and gas them on arrival? Yeah, then you can start sending trans people, gay people, all the people that disagree with Trump. The sky's the limit!
sick sick sick, Suzianne

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@Earl-of-Trumps said
no no, Suzi, that's *my* argument.

your method makes the problem grow by telling society that government will accept this scurrilous behavior.
And here's how:
The addicts get free needles, free injections by doctors, free narcan, and free medical services at the hospital.

this encourages a society that tolerates this deadly behavior and there are 50 thousand addicts year dying of overdose.
BTW, over 105,000 people died from overdose in 2023.

So no desire to lessen that number? Is that what you're saying?


@Suzianne

I had older data. so that makes it worse.


@shavixmir said
In the Netherlands it worked very well.
Lowering drug related deaths, drug related diseases, minimising society’s problems with drug related petty theft, begging, etc. and helping people off heroin.

Less needles on street corners already is less children being accidentally pricked as they pick stuff up.
...helping people...

Ah, you slipped in the poison pill. MAGA doesn't do that. Anyone viewed as being "weak" or a "burden" is deserving of no succor.

Now, let's get back to worrying about far more important things, like who gets to use which bathroom.