Netenyoo and the death penalty

@Soothfast said
That doesn't matter in a global economy where US economic interests span the planet. It is a very fragile system, with a disruption in oil shipments in any one place being very liable to cause repercussions everywhere—including in the US economy.

You can already see the effects NOW, which are being reported in the news all the time. The price of gas in the US since Trump's disastrous "excursion" into Iran has skyrocketed.

It's not 1750 anymore.

If the US had an abundance of oil, why are the petrol prices getting ever higher?

@Rajk999 said
You are caught up with old outdated rhetoric about what is going on:
1. US does not depend on Mid East oil to any great extent.
2. Israel can handle their security without US aid. This is not 1948. Israel is a world class weapons manufacturer and a military powerhouse. None of the Arab states can even come close, neither individually nor as a group.

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A fairy tale. The US sent $17.9 billion in weapons to Israel in the first year of the latter's invasion of Gaza. https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-us-military-spending-8e6e5033f7a1334bf6e35f86e7040e14

And the Trump administration just Ok'd the sending of 20,000 bombs to Israel.https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-bypasses-congressional-review-to-approve-munitions-sale-to-israel/

@shavixmir said
If the US had an abundance of oil, why are the petrol prices getting ever higher?

Oil is a world commodity, with prices set by world markets. The US, meanwhile, does not produce enough oil domestically to keep up with its own needs, and right-wing troglodytes continue to hobble efforts to increase renewable energy capacity as they insist that the future lies in the past, with coal. It's one of those self-owning "own the libs" things, I guess.

@Soothfast said
That doesn't matter in a global economy where US economic interests span the planet. It is a very fragile system, with a disruption in oil shipments in any one place being very liable to cause repercussions everywhere—including in the US economy.

You can already see the effects NOW, which are being reported in the news all the time. The price of gas in the US since Trump's disastrous "excursion" into Iran has skyrocketed.

It's not 1750 anymore.

So the US is not dependent on Mideast oil as you wrongly stated earlier. A rise in price of gasoline is no reason to stop a war against Iran. Countries will have to cope with any price changes.

@no1marauder said
A fairy tale. The US sent $17.9 billion in weapons to Israel in the first year of the latter's invasion of Gaza. https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-us-military-spending-8e6e5033f7a1334bf6e35f86e7040e14

And the Trump administration just Ok'd the sending of 20,000 bombs to Israel.https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-bypasses-congressional-review-to-approve-munitions-sale-to-israel/

Get yourself a brain and stop idolising these dumb Arabs.

US aid to Israel represents about 15% of Israels defense budget. If that is lost, Israel's significantly more advanced military can more than compensate for that loss.

@Rajk999 said
Get yourself a brain and stop idolising these dumb Arabs.

US aid to Israel represents about 15% of Israels defense budget. If that is lost, Israel's significantly more advanced military can more than compensate for that loss.

Don't know where you get your numbers from, but Israel just announced a major increase in its defense budget up to the equivalent of $45 billion a year. And that includes everything esp. salaries whereas US Aid is almost all advanced weaponry.

And every time the Zionist State engages in one of its many massive operations against its neighbors, it quickly sends emergency requests for aid to the US. Cut those off and it's ability to wage eternal war would be seriously reduced.

EDIT: In 2023, its defense budget was $27.5 billion
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/isr/israel/military-spending-defense-budget

@Rajk999 said
So the US is not dependent on Mideast oil as you wrongly stated earlier.

It is, though. Just not in the direct way you're concerned about, with physical oil tankers physically moving oil from the Middle East to US soil. Nowhere do I state or imply a direct, physical link. However, to reiterate (while you squint between the lines, scavenging for cheap points that aren't there), if the US were to embrace renewable energy sources the way much of the rest of the world is embracing it, it would be far more insulated from the ups and downs of oil prices.

And that's all I'll say about the matter to you. The dots have been connected to form a continuous curve, and I can't make it any simpler for you.

@no1marauder said
Don't know where you get your numbers from, but Israel just announced a major increase in its defense budget up to the equivalent of $45 billion a year. And that includes everything esp. salaries whereas US Aid is almost all advanced weaponry.

And every time the Zionist State engages in one of its many massive operations against its neighbors, it quickly sends emergenc ...[text shortened]... on
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/isr/israel/military-spending-defense-budget

I think Perplexity has a bit more info that you do and quite probably can analyse stuff and produce reliable conclusions without the bias that plagues people like you .

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Can Israel defend itself without the U.S.?

Israel has a strong, modern military, a powerful domestic arms industry, nuclear deterrence, and layered missile defenses (Iron Dome, David’s Sling, Arrow), so it could probably repel conventional invasions and handle most regional attacks on its own. It has already fought major wars (1967, 1973, 2006) with limited or no U.S. combat support, and its doctrine explicitly emphasizes self‑reliance (“defend itself with its own forces&rdquo😉.

How U.S. support changes the equation
- U.S. aid makes up about 20% of Israel’s defense budget and provides advanced weapons, intelligence, and training that help Israel maintain a decisive qualitative edge over neighbors like Hezbollah and Iran‑linked forces.

- Without U.S. backing, Israel would have less money for long‑term procurement, might struggle to keep missile‑defense systems fully funded, and would face greater political and diplomatic isolation, which could embolden adversaries.

Bottom‑line framing
In a hypothetical where the U.S. dropped Israel, the likeliest outcome is not quick annihilation but a weaker, more exposed Israel that can still fight for its survival but would have to recalibrate its policies, alliances, and military posture very sharply.
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Without the US, Israel is far from doomed.

@Rajk999 said
I think Perplexity has a bit more info that you do and quite probably can analyse stuff and produce reliable conclusions without the bias that plagues people like you .

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Can Israel defend itself without the U.S.?

Israel has a strong, modern military, a powerful domestic arms industry, nuclear deterrence, and layered missile defe ...[text shortened]... sture very sharply.
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Without the US, Israel is far from doomed.

Didn't say it would be "doomed". But it wouldn't be able to engage in continuous wars of choice and there would be extreme pressure to make a fair peace with the Palestinians.

@no1marauder said
Didn't say it would be "doomed". But it wouldn't be able to engage in continuous wars of choice and there would be extreme pressure to make a fair peace with the Palestinians.

It is the Arabs that do not want peace, far less for fair peace.
- In 1947, an Arab coalition of 5 surrounding states said there will be no Jewish state in Palestine
- In the 60s the PLO coined the phrase "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free". This means free of Jews.
- The constant call for liberation of Palestine by activists means they want all Jews out, or subjected to Muslims rule.
- This is also in the writings of the Quran.

There is no freedom and peace to be had in Palestine. Even around here you see supporters of Palestine comment that Jews can go to Uganda or Utah or California etc etc.

@Rajk999 said
It is the Arabs that do not want peace, far less for fair peace.
- In 1947, an Arab coalition of 5 surrounding states said there will be no Jewish state in Palestine
- In the 60s the PLO coined the phrase "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free". This means free of Jews.
- The constant call for liberation of Palestine by activists means they want all Jews o ...[text shortened]... re you see supporters of Palestine comment that Jews can go to Uganda or Utah or California etc etc.

We've had this discussion many times and I've corrected your misperceptions and outright lies here constantly.

The PLO has accepted a two-state solution for more than four decades the main impediment to peace now is the Israeli right wing.

@Rajk999 said
Do they look like they need help?

Iranian drones are KILLING people in Israel and my personal friends are in danger in Israel. We lived there for most of the 90's working as contractor to Intel in Jerusalem and have a lot of friends there, mostly musicians, folk music is a large part of my life so there is a very active folk music community in Israel so we played a LOT of stages all over the country and know a LOT of the folk musicians there and we already had on incident where a friend, Muriel, a brilliant violinist busking in Dizengoff Square in Tel Aviv and a bomber blew himself up and his head hit hit her body and she came to our flat in shock and we picked out bits of glass from her hair, her clothes and skin and she lost some of her instruments, saved the violin but that was all, the explosion blew all of it away all but her violin so we know terrorists up close and personal and BTW I got shot at myself by a Palestinian terrorist who missed but there was that.

@sonhouse said
Iranian drones are KILLING people in Israel and my personal friends are in danger in Israel. We lived there for most of the 90's working as contractor to Intel in Jerusalem and have a lot of friends there, mostly musicians, folk music is a large part of my life so there is a very active folk music community in Israel so we played a LOT of stages all over the country and know ...[text shortened]... and personal and BTW I got shot at myself by a Palestinian terrorist who missed but there was that.

Well .. its a war. Such is life.
A time of war and a time of peace.

@Soothfast said
Oil is a world commodity, with prices set by world markets. The US, meanwhile, does not produce enough oil domestically to keep up with its own needs, and right-wing troglodytes continue to hobble efforts to increase renewable energy capacity as they insist that the future lies in the past, with coal. It's one of those self-owning "own the libs" things, I guess.

Ah yes, cutting one’s dick off to spite their balls.

Dumb arses.

@shavixmir said
Has anyone read about this?
I can only find it in Dutch.

https://nos.nl/artikel/2608452-parlement-israel-stemt-voor-omstreden-doodstrafwet

So, the knesset has voted for a mandatory death penalty for anyone convicted of a terrorist murder.
With no method of escalation (to a higher authority). Execution within 90 days.

The last execution, I believe, was Eichmann.
...[text shortened]... t’s been worded to exclude them.


Is this racism? Isn’t it just the proof of an apartheid state?

The link I made earlier here appears to be too long, but it's to a Le Monde article about Israel passing a law that designates a death penalty specifically for Palestinians. It makes South Africa in the apartheid days look like Disney World in comparison.

Anyway here's the link again:
https://tinyurl.com/3v8ypwmd