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  1. 17 Jan '18 04:33 / 2 edits
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/16/new-california-declares-independence-california-bid-become-51st-state/1036681001/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

    The founders of New California took an early step toward statehood Monday with the reading of their own Declaration of Independence from California, a state they describe as "ungovernable."

    Their solution: Take over most of current-day California — including many rural counties — and leave the coastal urban areas to themselves.

    "The current state of California has become governed by a tyranny," the group, led in part by vice chairman Robert Paul Preston, declared in a document published online.

    The split would look something like this, per the group:

    "After years of over taxation, regulation, and mono-party politics the State of California and many of it’s 58 Counties have become ungovernable," the group said in a statement, citing a "decline in essential basic services" including education, law enforcement, infrastructure and health care.

    The group, organized with a council of county representatives and various committees, hopes to model their split after the state of West Virginia. That's according to CBS, whose Sacramento affiliate filmed the reading in a sparsely crowded conference room.

    Claiming the authority of Article 4, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution, the aspiring 51st state plans to convince California's legislature to split the state before submitting the resolution to Congress.

    The effort remains, to be clear, a long shot.

    A California venture capitalist named Tim Draper sought in 2014 to split the Golden State into six parts, including the "State of Silicon Valley." It failed to make the ballot.

    New California's work with regular California's state legislature won't likely start in earnest until later this year or early next year, organizers told CBS.

    “We have to demonstrate that we can govern ourselves before we are allowed to govern,” Tom Reed, a founder, told the network.
  2. 17 Jan '18 05:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @whodey
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/16/new-california-declares-independence-california-bid-become-51st-state/1036681001/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

    The founders of New California took an early step toward statehood Monday with the reading of their own Declaration of Independence fro ...[text shortened]... we can govern ourselves before we are allowed to govern,” Tom Reed, a founder, told the network.
    "The current state of California has become governed by a tyranny," the group, led in part by vice chairman Robert Paul Preston, declared in a document published online.



    The current state of California is governed just like the other states Whodey. Injecting your silly opinions into your post is entertaining on a minor league level, but factually so far off base, your not in the same stadium. Rather than boring us with this silliness, why don't you go and dig up some evidence of those "death panels" and "grannies being wheeled into the streets to die" that your Christian pure buddies on the right wing said Obamacare was supposed to produce.
  3. 17 Jan '18 13:11 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @mchill
    "The current state of California has become governed by a tyranny," the group, led in part by vice chairman Robert Paul Preston, declared in a document published online.



    The current state of California is governed just like the other states Whodey. Injecting your silly opinions into your post is entertaining on a minor league level, but factually so ...[text shortened]... e" that your Christian pure buddies on the right wing said Obamacare was supposed to produce.
    I only posted what the article stated. These are not my words

    What exactly in the article do you take issue with?
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    17 Jan '18 14:14
    There's something to the idea that California is too big to be governed as a state. It's country-sized in land area, population and economy. It also has some wild constitutional rules that require a referendum for many types of tax hikes and an unmanageable proposition process, which has led, ironically, to many hyper-conservative propositions passing (including a same sex marriage ban and outlawing affirmative action).

    It regularly runs up huge budget deficits despite high income and sales taxation. Property tax is kept artificially low by idiosyncratic California constitutional rules.It also has a higher than average unemployment rate despite being the center of many huge American industries. It's funding of education, healthcare and revenue is uneven and inefficient. (http://uscommonsense.org/research/unsustainable-california-the-top-10-issues-facing-the-golden-state-introduction/)

    I think a strong argument can be made that breaking up California into a bunch of medium-sized states would make sense for everyone in the state in the long run.
  5. 17 Jan '18 15:08
    Originally posted by @sh76
    There's something to the idea that California is too big to be governed as a state. It's country-sized in land area, population and economy. It also has some wild constitutional rules that require a referendum for many types of tax hikes and an unmanageable proposition process, which has led, ironically, to many hyper-conservative propositions passing (includi ...[text shortened]... into a bunch of medium-sized states would make sense for everyone in the state in the long run.
    If you look at how they want to divide California, it has nothing to do with being proportional to land mass. instead, they simply want to cut out the crazy parts it seems, specifically LA and San Fran.

    Hilarious.
  6. 17 Jan '18 15:26
    Who in their right mind wants this? I don't blame them for wanting out of this.

    YouTube
  7. 17 Jan '18 15:31 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by @whodey
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/16/new-california-declares-independence-california-bid-become-51st-state/1036681001/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

    The founders of New California took an early step toward statehood Monday with the reading of their own Declaration of Independence fro ...[text shortened]... we can govern ourselves before we are allowed to govern,” Tom Reed, a founder, told the network.
    quote:

    "The current state of California has become governed by a tyranny," the group, led in part by vice chairman Robert Paul Preston, declared in a document published online.

    unquote

    Preston's problem is that it's not ruled by HIS tyranny.

    "Those campaigning for the New California state published a declaration of independence on Monday, demanding a new government "by the people and for the people under God.."

    So if Preston is the vice chairman, is the chairman God?

    https://www.bustle.com/p/what-is-new-california-this-group-wants-the-golden-state-to-split-in-two-7926152

    Coincidentally, or not, the map of the proposed split is similar to the map of red versus blue counties.

    I am guessing that big agriculture is all for this. I see water wars in the offing.
  8. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    17 Jan '18 15:34
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    Who in their right mind wants this? I don't blame them for wanting out of this.

    [youtube]T6nYYBRpphs[/youtube]
    Umm... Mott...

    According to the video title, that's Orange County, which the New California movement wants as part of the New California state.
  9. 17 Jan '18 16:03
    Originally posted by @sh76
    Umm... Mott...

    According to the video title, that's Orange County, which the New California movement wants as part of the New California state.
    Yes...this is forced on them by the liberal govt. Why do you think they want out?
  10. 17 Jan '18 16:59
    Originally posted by @js357
    quote:

    "The current state of California has become governed by a tyranny," the group, led in part by vice chairman Robert Paul Preston, declared in a document published online.

    unquote

    Preston's problem is that it's not ruled by HIS tyranny.

    "Those campaigning for the New California state published a declaration of independence on Monday, demandin ...[text shortened]... counties.

    I am guessing that big agriculture is all for this. I see water wars in the offing.
    Tyranny is when you feel like you have no voice or representation, even if you are allowed the privilege of voting for things you know don't stand a chance.

    Why not let them have their state and let them run things they way they want?

    Let the Blue states be blue and the red states be red. Why force either to be purple cuz that never will happen.
  11. 17 Jan '18 17:13
    Why is giving people their freedom so scary?
  12. 17 Jan '18 18:09
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Tyranny is when you feel like you have no voice or representation, even if you are allowed the privilege of voting for things you know don't stand a chance.

    Why not let them have their state and let them run things they way they want?

    Let the Blue states be blue and the red states be red. Why force either to be purple cuz that never will happen.
    "Why not let them have their state and let them run things they way they want?

    Let the Blue states be blue and the red states be red. Why force either to be purple cuz that never will happen."

    The US southern states would like an answer to that also.
  13. 17 Jan '18 18:28 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    "Why not let them have their state and let them run things they way they want?

    Let the Blue states be blue and the red states be red. Why force either to be purple cuz that never will happen."

    The US southern states would like an answer to that also.
    Cuz Lincoln, that's why.

    If they get out of line, just send in the troops.
  14. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    17 Jan '18 18:31
    Originally posted by @sh76
    There's something to the idea that California is too big to be governed as a state. It's country-sized in land area, population and economy. It also has some wild constitutional rules that require a referendum for many types of tax hikes and an unmanageable proposition process, which has led, ironically, to many hyper-conservative propositions passing (includi ...[text shortened]... into a bunch of medium-sized states would make sense for everyone in the state in the long run.
    If that was the case then Alaska and Texas MUST be also ungovernable so they should be sliced apart also.
  15. 17 Jan '18 19:00 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    If that was the case then Alaska and Texas MUST be also ungovernable so they should be sliced apart also.
    Texas has entertained the idea to secede from the union.

    They probably have the right idea cuz conservatives have no representation in the US federal government that is worth a damn.

    Not to worry though, I hear that the younger generation is being adequately brainwashed to turn Texas Blue in the near future via public education.