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New Study, Natural Immunity stronger than Vax

New Study, Natural Immunity stronger than Vax

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There is some discussion in this article which might go beyond the education level in biology for many people in this forum. I suggest you educate yourself if you do not understand what is being said.

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Secondary immune response stronger after infection than vaccination

In COVID-19 survivors, important components of the body's immune response called memory B cells continue to evolve and get stronger for at least several months, producing highly potent antibodies that can neutralize new variants of the virus, a new study has found. By comparison, vaccine-induced memory B cells are less robust, evolving for only a few weeks and never "learning" to protect against variants, researchers reported in a paper published on Thursday in Nature https://go.nature.com/3AjGx2B. COVID-19 vaccines do induce more antibodies than the immune system does after a coronavirus infection. But the immune system response to infection appears to outshine its response to vaccines when it comes to memory B cells. Regardless of whether antibodies are induced by infection or vaccine, their levels drop within six months in many people. But memory B cells stand ready to produce new antibodies if the body encounters the virus. Prior to this study, there had been little data on how vaccine-induced B cells compare to infection-induced B cells. The researchers caution that the benefits of stronger memory B cells after infection do not outweigh the risks that come with COVID-19. "While a natural infection may induce maturation of antibodies with broader activity than a vaccine does, a natural infection can also kill you," said study leader Michel Nussenzweig of Rockefeller University, in a statement. "A vaccine won't do that and, in fact, protects against the risk of serious illness or death from infection."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/delta-does-not-appear-children-184145040.html

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“Hey, this guy has an opinion on baseball, hockey, Tinder, and Christmas, but he was asked the other day about natural immunity that you acquire after the disease, he is like, ‘Oh, that is really interesting thought, I never thought about that. I don’t have an opinion because I haven’t thought about naturally acquired immunity,’” Paul said during a Fox Business News interview, adding, “He has and he is lying to you.”

Paul continued, “The reason he won’t bring up natural immunity is because it foils his plans to get everybody possible vaccinated.”

“He thinks it might slow down vaccination. And I’m for people getting vaccinated particularly people at risk, but the thing is, if you ignore naturally acquired immunity then you’re saying we don’t have enough people, you have to force it on younger people,” the Senator further urged.

“There was a statistic that came out that somebody put together today. If you’re 85, your chances of dying are 10,000 times greater than if you’re 10. Should we treat a 10-year-old the same we treat an 85-year-old? It is nonsense,” Paul reasoned.

https://www.newstarget.com/2021-10-08-rand-paul-blasts-lying-fauci.html

Fauci is clearly pretending to be ignorant so he doesn't have to admit gene vaccine mandates make no sense. He thinks you are all stupid. He is insulting your intelligence.

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Natural immunity creates an immune system that will destroy covid variants, and is long lasting. Vaccines protect as couple of months without improving the immune system much.

But what do we hear? Vax, vax, vax.

Money money money.

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@Eladar
The BS flies through this thread. You two should get a room, you could go over ALL your fantasy conspiracy theories, hell, invent a dozen more.

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@sonhouse said
@Eladar
The BS flies through this thread. You two should get a room, you could go over ALL your fantasy conspiracy theories, hell, invent a dozen more.
Read what I quoted.

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Natural immunity is superior to the gene vaccine.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/research-natural-immunity-covid-brownstone-institute/

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

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@eladar said
There is some discussion in this article which might go beyond the education level in biology for many people in this forum. I suggest you educate yourself if you do not understand what is being said.

From the link

Secondary immune response stronger after infection than vaccination

In COVID-19 survivors, important components of the body's immune response called memor ...[text shortened]... r death from infection."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/delta-does-not-appear-children-184145040.html
You do realise that the article you posted ended with this bit of sage advice right?
The researchers caution that the benefits of stronger memory B cells after infection do not outweigh the risks that come with COVID-19. "While a natural infection may induce maturation of antibodies with broader activity than a vaccine does, a natural infection can also kill you," said study leader Michel Nussenzweig of Rockefeller University, in a statement. "A vaccine won't do that and, in fact, protects against the risk of serious illness or death from infection."

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@kmax87
Picky frigging picky🙂

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Science magazine agrees.

https://rumble.com/votgve-bill-maher-pushes-back-on-big-pharma-over-natural-immunity.html

Accept the science.

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Only Kmax read the whole bloody thing? You did see the sentence at the end, right?

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@eladar said
Natural immunity creates an immune system that will destroy covid variants, and is long lasting. Vaccines protect as couple of months without improving the immune system much.

But what do we hear? Vax, vax, vax.

Money money money.
It sounds like those the promote the vaccine may also think that man-made formula is better for babies than their mother's milk. If you have natural immunity, why should the vaccine be required, you already have a built-in immunity? Someone is making money, and others are acquiring power seems to be reasoning that makes the most sense. I don't think science makes a case for it, but if someone thinks otherwise, please make your case.

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@kmax87 said
You do realise that the article you posted ended with this bit of sage advice right?
The researchers caution that the benefits of stronger memory B cells after infection do not outweigh the risks that come with COVID-19. "While a natural infection may induce maturation of antibodies with broader activity than a vaccine does, a natural infection can also kill you," sai ...[text shortened]... do that and, in fact, protects against the risk of serious illness or death from infection."
"While a natural infection may induce maturation of antibodies with broader activity than a vaccine does, a natural infection can also kill you,"

People have died from the vaccine, but the point of natural immunity is that one already had the infection. As I have pointed out elsewhere, you can get it and not even realize it! The range of symptoms can be none to death and all points in between. If we are going to mandate anything everyone should be checked to see if they already had it, why push a new drug into a healthy body that DOES NOT NEED IT?

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@KellyJay
You figure all youth are so strong immunologically speaking they won't get covid?
What planet do you live on again?

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@sonhouse said
@KellyJay
You figure all youth are so strong immunologically speaking they won't get covid?
What planet do you live on again?
If we get it, and I'm sure a substantial portion of the planet already has, those with natural immunity have much stronger immunity than any of the vaccines could give them. Without any possible side effects, the vaccine could cause. The youth are not as seriously affected as older people that comes out of the numbers too.

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@kmax87 said
You do realise that the article you posted ended with this bit of sage advice right?
The researchers caution that the benefits of stronger memory B cells after infection do not outweigh the risks that come with COVID-19. "While a natural infection may induce maturation of antibodies with broader activity than a vaccine does, a natural infection can also kill you," sai ...[text shortened]... do that and, in fact, protects against the risk of serious illness or death from infection."
Does the article explain the 750,000 deaths
attributed to the COVID-19 virus?

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