Originally posted by wolfgang59there's only 1,000,000 people in the UK?
Wow ... thanks for the heads up on that I never realised I was in so much danger! A back of an envelope approximation tells me that with your figures over 10% of the UK population are being murdered by the NHS!
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--- and to think I used to read and believe your posts!
btw: Liverpool Care Pathway is given in the final hours (occassionally final day ...[text shortened]... ed at end-of-life care in 155 hospitals, and examined the records of about 4,000 patients.[/i]
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Originally posted by shorbock"I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS. I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived."
Yes the british health system is terrible, like in all europe.
A good example of this is Stephen Hawkins
"People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the UK, where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless." as quoted from Investor's Business.
...[text shortened]... 2009/08/12/stephen-hawking-defends-british-health-care-system-against-u-s-conservatives.aspx
Hawking, who suffers from motor neuron disease, received emergency treatment for chest problems as recently as April at a Cambridge hospital.
Read more: http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/08/12/stephen-hawking-defends-british-health-care-system-against-u-s-conservatives.aspx#ixzz0uY7NZjKB
You have to spell it out - irony is not enough for the idiots producing this trash about the NHS.
However, with Cameron's innovations about to utterly traumatise the entire health system, there may well be something more to their taste; like there were horrible tales in Thatcher's years of starving the NHS, only very unpredictable how it will turn out this time. There's always a mess when idiot Conservatives try to emulate the US.
Originally posted by deriver69http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1570852/Hospital-blunders-kill-90000-patients.html
The actual figure for last year is 2159. If it were 95000 that would imply about 1 in 6 people in the UK die from an NHS blunder.
Britain shamed by NHS death rates
Waiting lists and shortage of doctors blamed for grim mortality figures
Jo Revill, health editor
The Observer, Sunday 7 September 2003 10.19 BST
Patients who have major surgery in Britain are four times more likely to die than those in America, according to a major new study.
The comparison of care, which reveals a sevenfold difference in mortality rates in one set of patients, concludes that hospital waiting lists, a shortage of specialists and competition for intensive care beds are to blame.
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A team from University College London (UCL) and a team from Columbia University in New York jointly studied the medical fortunes of more than 1,000 patients at the Mount Sinai Hospital in Manhattan and compared them with nearly 1,100 patients who had undergone the same sort of major surgery at the Queen Alexandra Hospital in Portsmouth.
The results, which surprised even the researchers, showed that 2.5 per cent of the American patients died in hospital after major surgery, compared with just under 10 per cent of British patients. They found that there was a sevenfold difference in mortality rates when a subgroup of patients - the most seriously ill - were compared.
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'The main difference seems to be in the quality of post-operative care, and who is likely to care for patients in the US, compared with the UK,' Mythen said.
'In America, in the Manhattan hospital, the care [after surgery] is delivered largely by a consultant surgeon and an anaesthetist. We know from other research that more than one third of those who die after a major operation in Britain are not seen by a similar consultant.'
He also believes that the queue for treatment in the NHS would inevitably mean that British patients were more at risk. 'We would be suspicious that the diseases would be more advanced in the UK, simply because the waiting lists are longer.'
The New York patients had paid through private insurance to go to hospital and were therefore likely to be of a higher social class and healthier, whereas the NHS patients were from all social classes. The researchers attempted to level out social differences by rating each patient according to clinical status.
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Each year, more than three million operations are carried out on the NHS. Around 350,000 of these are emergencies, which carry a higher risk of complications, but there is no routine triage system in Britain for picking out patients before surgery, to determine who is most at risk.
Previous reports looking at deaths that occur within 28 days of surgery have shown that 36 per cent occurred in patients who went directly into ICU after surgery. But a higher mortality rate - 42 per cent - is seen among patients who had first been sent to a ward, got into difficulties and then had to be transferred to intensive care.
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Originally posted by zeeblebotThe NHS in the Uk has actually deteriorated over the 62 years since it was first set up by a Labour government despite colossal increases in taxpayer funding over and above the rate of inflation and the cost of advances in medical ansd surgical technology.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/07/obamas_failing_presidency.html
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So we come to ObamaCare, the program that, so we're told, will see him carried about in a solid gold sedan chair for the rest of his life by an eternally grateful populace. The sneak appointment of David Berwick to run the thing makes transparent a fact that was brought up cont ...[text shortened]... qual parts Bernard Madoff, Charles Manson, and Ludwig, Mad King of Bavaria.
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Some of the reasons for this are top heavy beaurocracy, staff slackness and inefficiency, employment of ever increasing numbers of poorly trained immigrant staff, paying doctors more to do less work, and failure to allow patients to pay for some facilities such as private rooms.
On the other hand it does appear that the present arrangements in the USA are far from ideal and are in also in need of reform, perhaps along the lines of the health services in some European countries such as France and Germany which employ a mixture of private and State funding.