Nigeria - Trump v Islam

@Rajk999 said
God/Jesus is sending Trump in to fix it. Apparently you dont like seeing things getting fixed.

When was the last time the USA fixed anything by invading a country? Did Trump sending the National Guard fix any domestic unrest in Illinois or California?

@moonbus said
When was the last time the USA fixed anything by invading a country? Did Trump sending the National Guard fix any domestic unrest in Illinois or California?

Invading is a last resort which is what Trump is prepared to do. For starters the generous aid from the US to Nigeria is going to be stopped. If that fails then a US military intervention will stop the Islamic extremists. I am aware people like you have a negative attitude toward US intervention in other countries, but I know people who live in some of these suffering countries who are happy, many of the secretly because of fear of retribution. Eg 90% 0f Venezuelans will rejoice if Maduro is killed. But people like you who live in your big houses in Switzerland and basically clueless about world affairs will condemn Trump. Basically STFU if you do not know what is going on in the world, and if the only thing on your mind is Trump.

Here is Google answering your question:

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Some interventions are widely considered more successful in achieving their immediate political and humanitarian objectives:

Grenada (1983): The U.S. invasion in Operation Urgent Fury deposed a Marxist revolutionary government that had seized power and was closely aligned with Cuba and the Soviet Union. The intervention led to the establishment of an interim government and the holding of free elections, after which U.S. forces withdrew, a result often cited as a clear success in achieving its limited, immediate goals.

Panama (1989): Operation Just Cause removed the dictator Manuel Noriega from power. The U.S. worked with existing pro-democratic forces, and the invasion is often seen as a success because U.S. forces went in, achieved their objective of capturing Noriega, and left, leaving Panama better off than before.

Gulf War (1991): The U.S.-led coalition in Operation Desert Storm successfully repelled the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, restoring Kuwait's sovereignty and independence, an outcome described by some analysts as "perhaps the most successful war of the 20th Century" in meeting its defined objectives.

Haiti (1994): Operation Uphold Democracy was a U.N. mission (with a large U.S. component) that resulted in the peaceful restoration of the democratically elected president, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, after a military coup.

More recent large-scale invasions, such as those in Afghanistan (2001) and Iraq (2003), are generally viewed as having mixed or problematic long-term outcomes, with unintended consequences, power vacuums, and prolonged instability, making it difficult to definitively characterize them as having "fixed" the respective countries.
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@Rajk999 said
Invading is a last resort which is what Trump is prepared to do. For starters the generous aid from the US to Nigeria is going to be stopped. If that fails then a US military intervention will stop the Islamic extremists. I am aware people like you have a negative attitude toward US intervention in other countries, but I know people who live in some of these suffering coun ...[text shortened]... cterize them as having "fixed" the respective countries.
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I know rather more about the situation in Haiti than I do about the other cases, having actually been there and adopted two children from there. international intervention in Haiti has utterly ruined the place, starting with when Columbus landed on the island in the 15th century.

@moonbus said
I know rather more about the situation in Haiti than I do about the other cases, having actually been there and adopted two children from there. international intervention in Haiti has utterly ruined the place, starting with when Columbus landed on the island in the 15th century.

That sounds like nonsense. If you actually want a response please dont go as far back as Columbus. That alone tells me you are delusional and sounding like a BLM nutcase, and those morons who begging for reparations. Also please specify what specific intervention you are referring to and what ruin did that do to Haiti.

How do I know its nonsense? Every country, nation, culture experienced the effects, good and bad, of colonialism. It is only the losers and very stupid and backward people who are still griping about it.

I am aware of the time some decades ago when Papa Doc and his crooked son Baby Doc were ruling dictators Haiti and the people were suffering and begging for help. Surely you cannot think that intervention ruined Haiti.

@Earl-of-Trumps said
I don't know if I go for this at all. 'Don't worry Christians... I'll save ya"

so you are against stopping muslims from slaughtering Christians?

@moonbus said
I know rather more about the situation in Haiti than I do about the other cases, having actually been there and adopted two children from there. international intervention in Haiti has utterly ruined the place, starting with when Columbus landed on the island in the 15th century.

clintons took them for a ride too didnt they?

@moonbus said
When was the last time the USA fixed anything by invading a country? Did Trump sending the National Guard fix any domestic unrest in Illinois or California?

yes it did...the crime rate plummeted

@Rajk999 said

Gulf War (1991): The U.S.-led coalition in Operation Desert Storm successfully repelled the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, restoring Kuwait's sovereignty and independence, an outcome described by some analysts as "perhaps the most successful war of the 20th Century" in meeting its defined objectives.

Bush Sr.'s 'liberation' of Kuwait is an interesting example. If one takes a microscopic view of it, in isolation from historical events before and after, it seemed to have been a roaring success: Bush secured U.N. approval and forged a multi-national coalition of the willing to drive Saddam out of Kuwait. He 'fixed' it and got out quickly.

However, taking the longer historical perspective, it has saddled the world with a number of issues which have not yet been resolved. Not everyone was sanguine about the U.S. and their allies treading upon the sacred ground of Islam--for the allies used Saudi Arabia as their staging ground to launch the assault against Saddam's forces. A certain Osama bin Laden, in particular, was profoundly insulted that his own clan, the Sauds, went to the infidel West for military help to drive Saddam out of Kuwait; he believed it was a Muslim cause to fight for, Muslim territory, and that he, bin Laden, had the where with all to raise an army and drive Saddam back behind his borders. The horrific attacks on 9/11 were bin Laden's revenge on the West for treading upon the sacred lands of Islam.

We know the consequences of 9/11: Bush the Lesser invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Both of these operations were stunning short-term military successes on the battlefields and political catastrophes for all concerned which continue to cast long shadows over world events. Prior to Bush the Lesser's invasion of Iraq, there was no such thing as IS. IS was called into existence specifically to drive the infidels (Americans) out of Iraq, and rapidly brought chaos, misery, and death to large swathes of No. Africa and the ME (including, one might just add, Syria)--triggering an exodus towards Europe.

Bush the Lesser's invasion of Afghanistan was a huge blunder; the immediate consequence was that the Taliban fled over the border to neighboring Pakistan, where they polarized the society (pro- or contra-Taliban) de-stabilized the govt there, ultimately leading to Musharraf's ouster. The Americans never subdued the Taliban, which continued to control large parts of Afghanistan and impose sharia, further contributing to the exodus of moderate Muslim to--you guessed it--Europe.

This exodus materially triggered the referendum in the UK to stay or leave the EU, under the banner of 'getting control over Britain's borders' to stem the flow of predominantly Muslim immigrants. This exodus has fueled the rise of nationalist-authoritarian political parties in several EU countries (such as the AfD in Germany).

All this because Bush Sr. invaded a ME country to 'fix' a local 'problem'. Not too rosey, when you look at the consequences: de-stabilizing several No. African and ME countries and the EU.

Would I blame Bush Sr.? No, the blame lies elsewhere, with his boss, Ronald Reagan. Reagan it was who propped up Saddam in the first place, giving him secret CIA money, weapons, and intelligence in his war with Iran. There is a press photo of Saddam shaking hands with Reagan's "special envoy" to Iraq--Ronald Dumsfeld. Yes, that Dumsfeld, major player in both subsequent Bush administrations. Saddam was Reagan's 'pitbull' to punish Iran for the hostage crisis which played out during Carter's administration--a case of U.S. foreign policy blundering, trying to 'fix' a local problem by proxy-military means.

Reagan it also was who caused a force of 'freedom fighters' (Mujahadin) to be recruited to drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan--same people, chiefly Wahabists, who morphed, a generation later, into the Taliban. Another case of U.S. foreign policy blundering, trying to 'fix' a local problem by proxy-military means. Pfui.

And you seem to think Trump is a competent player on this grand chess board? A man who managed to bankrupt a casino? Pfui.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
so you are against stopping muslims from slaughtering Christians?

No, I'm not.

Are you against America from stopping Muslims kill other Muslims in the same region?

get the picture now?

@Earl-of-Trumps said
No, I'm not.

Are you against America from stopping Muslims kill other Muslims in the same region?

get the picture now?

"Are you against America from stopping Muslims kill other Muslims in the same region?"

was not aware of this...explain

@Earl-of-Trumps said
@Mott-The-Hoople

read the article. they are killing everyone.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/03/africa/trump-christian-killings-nigeria-intl


quote:

"... (extremist) groups have sadly killed many Christians. However, they have also massacred tens of thousands of Muslims,” Bukarti said. He noted that “the groups’ attacks on other civilian locations such as markets, bus stops and refugee camps (disproportionately) harm Muslims,” as the states where the radical groups operate are predominantly Muslim.

“Mr. Trump’s rhetoric (suggesting a mass slaughter of Christians) not only misinforms the international community but also risks fuelling extremist propaganda and undermining local efforts to build peace,” he added.

Security analyst Nnamdi Obasi, a senior adviser at the International Crisis Group think tank, explained that while extremist groups have wreaked havoc against both Christians and Muslims in the northeast of Nigeria, bandit groups have terrorized predominantly Muslim communities in the northwest. Additionally, predominantly Christian farming communities in parts of the North Central zone have suffered persistent violence from armed groups.

However, “in most parts of the country, Christians and Muslims live peacefully with each other,” he said. “Reports of widespread persecution and mass slaughter of Christians are seriously misread and exaggerate the challenges of interfaith relations in the country.”

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It seems Trump is listening to biased reports, exaggerating and misinterpreting them. Military intervention will not 'fix' any of the underlying issues there, which include such things as banditry and access to water rights.

If you poke a hornets' nest, you must expect to get stung.

@Earl-of-Trumps said
@Mott-The-Hoople

read the article. they are killing everyone.

no, they are not killing everyone...thousands of Christians...a few muslims

@Rajk999 said
ABUJA, Nov 2 (Reuters) - Nigeria said on Sunday it would welcome U.S. help in fighting Islamist insurgents as long as its territorial integrity is respected, responding to threats of military action by President Donald Trump over what he said was the ill-treatment of Christians in the West African country. Trump said on Saturday he had asked the Defense Department to prepare ...[text shortened]... world/africa/nigeria-welcomes-us-assistance-fight-terrorism-presidency-spokesperson-says-2025-11-02/

I just figured out what this is really about. Oil. Nigeria tops the list for Sub-Saharan countries:

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/oil_reserves/Sub-Sahara-Africa/