Nigeria - Trump v Islam

@Earl-of-Trumps said
@Mott-The-Hoople

Mott, @moonbus posted it eight above your post. sorry

He probably doesn't read cnn--'fake news' ya know.


😉

@moonbus said
He probably doesn't read cnn--'fake news' ya know.


😉

reuters is just as bad

@Earl-of-Trumps said
@Mott-The-Hoople

Mott, @moonbus posted it eight above your post. sorry

I researched it

@Earl-of-Trumps said
@Mott-The-Hoople

read the article. they are killing everyone.

If Muslims kill Muslims then that is their own fault. Muslims promote death to all unbelievers, so if they are killed by their own extremists Muslims then so be it. Christians are innocent, and do not preach death to unbelievers.

@moonbus said
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/03/africa/trump-christian-killings-nigeria-intl


quote:

"... (extremist) groups have sadly killed many Christians. However, they have also massacred tens of thousands of Muslims,” Bukarti said. He noted that “the groups’ attacks on other civilian locations such as markets, bus stops and refugee camps (disproportionately) harm Muslims,” a ...[text shortened]... s banditry and access to water rights.

If you poke a hornets' nest, you must expect to get stung.

You mind appears muddled. Let me help you.

Q :Are there Islamic extremists killing Christians and burning their churches in Nigeria ?
A : Yes.. the figure is about 100,000 in the last 10 years and 15,000 churches destroyed

THEREFORE :
Trump is going in to kill Islamic extremists.


Who says he has to solve all their problems?

@Rajk999 said
You mind appears muddled. Let me help you.

Q :Are there Islamic extremists killing Christians and burning their churches in Nigeria ?
A : Yes.. the figure is about 100,000 in the last 10 years and 15,000 churches destroyed

THEREFORE :
Trump is going in to kill Islamic extremists.


Who says he has to solve all their problems?

Trump does not give a damn about any Christians in Nigeria. Saving Christians is just his ploy to get American Evangelicals on board with his invasion scheme--just like Bush the Lesser claiming Saddam had WMD: Bush knew Saddam did not have any such weapons, but he needed a pretext to go to war against Saddam. Trump is looking for a pretext to get control of Nigeria's oil. Nigeria is sitting on top of the largest proven oil reserves in Sub-Saharan Africa, by orders of magnitude, and Trump is thirsty. "Drill, baby, drill!"

@Rajk999 said
If Muslims kill Muslims then that is their own fault. Muslims promote death to all unbelievers, so if they are killed by their own extremists Muslims then so be it. Christians are innocent, and do not preach death to unbelievers.

According to @KellyJay, no one is innocent; everyone's a sinner! 😉

If Trump really cared about humanity, he'd focus on Sudan--that's where the most people are suffering the most right now.

@moonbus said
I know rather more about the situation in Haiti than I do about the other cases, having actually been there and adopted two children from there. international intervention in Haiti has utterly ruined the place, starting with when Columbus landed on the island in the 15th century.

Aww look! You have some token babies so you can show everyone how virtuous you are.

Pretty sad. I guess the homeless kids in your country weren't good enough for you?

Start calling you Angelina Jolie, no wonder Brad left her. 🤭

@Rajk999 said
Haiti (1994): Operation Uphold Democracy was a U.N. mission (with a large U.S. component) that resulted in the peaceful restoration of the democratically elected president, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, after a military coup.

It is interesting that you should mention Operation Uphold Democracy in Haiti, 1994 as a grand success. I know a bit about Haiti. Returning Aristide, who had won an election in 1991, to his rightful office was widely hailed as a diplomatic success for the Carter administration. Carter secured authorization from the international community, specifically the Organization of American States (OAS) to lead a military invasion to depose the military junta which had ousted Aristide. In the event, the leader of the junta, confronted with an ultimatum by Carter and a carrier fleet offshore, capitulated. The USA celebrated a quick 'fix' and got out again promptly. But this is a myopic and microscopic view of the situation in Haiti. The operation fixed nothing.

After the US returned Aristide to power in 1994, elections were held again in 1995, which were won by René Préval, gaining 88% of the popular vote, but the result was disputed by Aristide and his followers. Aristide won a follow-on election in 2000, but increasing violence and human rights abuses followed, for years, and in 2004, a revolt against Aristide's regime forced him into exile. Simply returning one elected official to power 'fixed' nothing for Haitians.

When I got to Haiti in 2009, I spoke with a man who was from the IRS (the US federal tax authority). He had been invited by the Haitian govt as a consultant to help them set up a functioning tax system. He told me stories. He told me that the Haitian govt was not taking in revenue; they had no enforceable tax laws. Since the govt had no revenue, govt employees' salaries were not paid, so govt employees (among them, tax auditors) seldom showed up for work. When they showed up at all, they 'worked' only for bribes. Most govt employees held down second jobs--on the black market, where everyone works for cash (which of course is tax-invisible), thereby fostering the loss of revenue for basic govt services, such as maintaining infrastructure, schools, a judicial system, and tax collecting. The police in Haiti are in the pay of drug cartels--bandits who happen to have uniforms and sometimes even badges. Corruption is rampant in Haiti. Simply returning one elected official to power 'fixed' nothing.

Now here is the real tragedy: Haiti was once food-self-sufficient. But Haiti needed money for improvements to its infrastructure. The Haitian govt applied for a loan from the World Bank. The World Bank agreed, but only if Haiti would change its crop, from one which fed the Haitian people to an export crop (which would not feed the Haitian people)--in the interest of international commerce and dropping trade barriers for the other countries involved in the deal. Haiti agreed to the condition and changed its crop. Then the price of the export crop fell to the point where it was a losing proposition for Haitian farmers. But in the intervening years, the export crop had so changed the soil chemistry that the former food-crop would no longer grow in Haiti. Now Haiti is dependent on imported food crops, which it can ill-afford, having no stable tax revenues. This is truly a man-made disaster of epic proportions.

Lesson: be careful what countries you 'fix'--sometimes you make it worse.

@moonbus said
Trump does not give a damn about any Christians in Nigeria. Saving Christians is just his ploy to get American Evangelicals on board with his invasion scheme--just like Bush the Lesser claiming Saddam had WMD: Bush knew Saddam did not have any such weapons, but he needed a pretext to go to war against Saddam. Trump is looking for a pretext to get control of Nigeria's oil. Nig ...[text shortened]... reserves in Sub-Saharan Africa, by orders of magnitude, and Trump is thirsty. "Drill, baby, drill!"

More muddled thinking. It is your view that these people should refuse the help from the US, because it is alleged Trump has an ulterior motive.... I got it.

@moonbus said
According to @KellyJay, no one is innocent; everyone's a sinner! 😉

If Trump really cared about humanity, he'd focus on Sudan--that's where the most people are suffering the most right now.

Yet another nonsense post. The world has at least 10 hotspots. Who are you to tell Trump where to go first, second or third, when the jokers you previously supported did nothing in these regions except pump money in to assist the criminals.

@moonbus said
It is interesting that you should mention Operation Uphold Democracy in Haiti, 1994 as a grand success. I know a bit about Haiti. Returning Aristide, who had won an election in 1991, to his rightful office was widely hailed as a diplomatic success for the Carter administration. Carter secured authorization from the international community, specifically the Organization of Ame ...[text shortened]... er of epic proportions.

Lesson: be careful what countries you 'fix'--sometimes you make it worse.

Too long, not reading that.

@Rajk999 said
Too long, not reading that.

Factual details don't interest you? OK, then I'll compartmentalize it for you: killing Muslim extremists in Third World countries does not stop the killing of Christians. It merely transfers the killing to pop concerts and cafes and newspaper offices and metro stations in London, Paris, and Madrid. Oh, but why would Trump care about London, Paris, or Madrid? Just NATO countries which don't pay their bills. And especially not Madrid--ugh--Hispanics bent on replacing White people ....

Comprendez vous maintenant ?

@moonbus said
Factual details don't interest you? OK, then I'll compartmentalize it for you: killing Muslim extremists in Third World countries does not stop the killing of Christians. It merely transfers the killing to pop concerts and cafes and newspaper offices and metro stations in London, Paris, and Madrid. Oh, but why would Trump care about London, Paris, or Madrid? Just NATO countri ...[text shortened]... ot Madrid--ugh--Hispanics bent on replacing White people ....

Comprendez vous maintenant ?

Killing extremists in one area, stops the killing in that area. Its not rocket science. That is all that is required. If another area has a problem with extremists then the onus is on that area to deal with it. If they need help then, just ask, and there are countries willing to help. The problem is that many countries have stupid rules that cripple them.

The UK and much of Europe has this ridiculous idea about tolerance and all religions are the same. I see this same garbage principle parroted around here. These poeple who promote this have no clue about Islam, and while these tolerance gurus teach everyone to tolerate all religions, Islam is teaching theirs to kill.

Anyway the world is wisening up to Islam. The days of tolerating Islam is coming to an end.

@moonbus said
Factual details don't interest you? OK, then I'll compartmentalize it for you: killing Muslim extremists in Third World countries does not stop the killing of Christians. It merely transfers the killing to pop concerts and cafes and newspaper offices and metro stations in London, Paris, and Madrid. Oh, but why would Trump care about London, Paris, or Madrid? Just NATO countri ...[text shortened]... ot Madrid--ugh--Hispanics bent on replacing White people ....

Comprendez vous maintenant ?

Therefore, according to you, Trump should not try to stop the killing of Christians in Nigeria because the extremists will kill Christians in other countries.

The fact that that makes sense in your mind, means you are not a right thinking person, or a Muslim.