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All cars should always turn right, with only a few rare exceptions. It saves 15% on commuting time, is safer on pedestrians, creates less complex intersections, is cheaper to build.
Come on guys, this idea saves billions of dollars for individuals and taxpayers, saves time and lives, no brainer. There's something in it for everyone.
Why not? I'm sold. Get the governor on the phone.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a36620755/eliminate-left-turns/
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@wildgrass saidWe could do it with $690B!!! Presently it is earmarked to pay off loans of dependents, losers and parasites. They get that, while we keep having to turn left!!!!!
All cars should always turn right, with only a few rare exceptions. It saves 15% on commuting time, is safer on pedestrians, creates less complex intersections, is cheaper to build.
Come on guys, this idea saves billions of dollars for individuals and taxpayers, saves time and lives, no brainer. There's something in it for everyone.
Why not? I'm sold. Get the governor on the phone.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a36620755/eliminate-left-turns/
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@AverageJoe1 saidWhat's it about that you try to compare literally everything to student loans?
We could do it with $690B!!! Presently it is earmarked to pay off loans of dependents, losers and parasites. They get that, while we keep having to turn left!!!!!
Traffic signs. This is a money and time saving idea, Joe.
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@wildgrass saidIt will narrow the options of getting from A to B and cause more traffic jams.
All cars should always turn right, with only a few rare exceptions. It saves 15% on commuting time, is safer on pedestrians, creates less complex intersections, is cheaper to build.
Come on guys, this idea saves billions of dollars for individuals and taxpayers, saves time and lives, no brainer. There's something in it for everyone.
Why not? I'm sold. Get the governor on the phone.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a36620755/eliminate-left-turns/
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@shavixmir saidYes narrow options but according to science this will unsnarl traffic because more cars on the road will be headed in similar diresctions. Shorter traffic lights.
It will narrow the options of getting from A to B and cause more traffic jams.
You either change your route or make three right turns instead of one left.
There's data supporting the idea. Science!
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@wildgrass saidI figure that, however, the science behind trafffic jams paints a different picture.
Yes narrow options but according to science this will unsnarl traffic because more cars on the road will be headed in similar diresctions. Shorter traffic lights.
You either change your route or make three right turns instead of one left.
There's data supporting the idea. Science!
Basically, if there are a certain amount of cars on a road they can drive at speed X.
Add more cars, they can drive ar speed X-1.
To get from X to X-1, someone has to offer space, basically slowing up. This will lead to someone hitting the breaks, and this in turn leads to a wave of break hitting. That’s the cause of the jam.
So, in the situation of no right turns, you’re turning up the volume of cars on fewer possible routes. So, you have to lower the speed limit, to avoid break hitting. Or people will hit their breaks.
Both cases, actually slowing the commute from A to B.
All research I’ve read on this issue suggests things like: fewer cars, diversification of routes (like the Rotterdam ring), slowing traffic as it gets busier, slowing traffic when you go from 2 lanes to 3, and then speeding up traffic as it goes from 3 lanes to 2 (this last one is counter-intiuative).
However, I’ve never heard of your theory before, it’s interesting (not good for the tyres though) so I’ll look it up.
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@shavixmir saidOh, and also have us all riding buses and trains. But how do we get to the respective pick-up points?
I figure that, however, the science behind trafffic jams paints a different picture.
Basically, if there are a certain amount of cars on a road they can drive at speed X.
Add more cars, they can drive ar speed X-1.
To get from X to X-1, someone has to offer space, basically slowing up. This will lead to someone hitting the breaks, and this in turn leads to a wave of ...[text shortened]... er heard of your theory before, it’s interesting (not good for the tyres though) so I’ll look it up.
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@wildgrass saidI mention the loan payments on occasion in the hopes that you fellers will see, after saying Trump will be a dictator, that Biden has dictated using our tax money at his behest, when we know full-well it is being done to get losers to vote for him.
What's it about that you try to compare literally everything to student loans?
Traffic signs. This is a money and time saving idea, Joe.
Biden is the dictator. Prove me wrong. Only Congress can make such decisions, the president does not control purse strings. Ask Suzianne, she will tell you. He is like Hitler. Prove me wrong. He is also the border dictator, but hey, why write about that, since it is common knowledge. He decided to dictate an open border. Well, his handlers did.
I did see where he got a better sleep-apnea machine. DId we have to pay for that?
Biden is a dictator.
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@AverageJoe1 saidThat has nothing to do with my post.
Oh, and also have us all riding buses and trains. But how do we get to the respective pick-up points?
I'm explaining the science behind traffic jams. And what can be done to keep traffic flowing.
As for your question out of nowhere: Walk, cycle, drive, swim, run, parachute...
And if the choice is driving, then you there are certain things you can do to keep the traffic flowing. And one of them is not "right turns only".
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@shavixmir saidOK, but let us be realistic about public transportation. Without cars, we can no longer carry the things in our trunk, like children's sports gear, tools, chain saws, golf bag, cooler full of ice for picnic, file boxes, quite a list. We simply must be able to transport things.
That has nothing to do with my post.
I'm explaining the science behind traffic jams. And what can be done to keep traffic flowing.
As for your question out of nowhere: Walk, cycle, drive, swim, run, parachute...
And if the choice is driving, then you there are certain things you can do to keep the traffic flowing. And one of them is not "right turns only".
We have to have cars. I know not one person who would get on a bus or a train. Too busy, and it is not convenient. Convenience is the greatest asset that the USA enjoys.
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@AverageJoe1 saidLet’s be realistic, why the hell are you on about the pros and cons of public transport, in a debate about optimising the use of cars?
OK, but let us be realistic about public transportation. Without cars, we can no longer carry the things in our trunk, like children's sports gear, tools, chain saws, golf bag, cooler full of ice for picnic, file boxes, quite a list. We simply must be able to transport things.
We have to have cars. I know not one person who would get on a bus or a train. Too busy, and it is not convenient. Convenience is the greatest asset that the USA enjoys.
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@shavixmir saidBecause several posts back either Moonbase or Wildgrass suggested that we go to buses and public transportation to get rid of cars. Generally speaking. My immediate response was that if my child had written off on her bicycle, which they suggest, and I had not seen her for two hours, how would I get to her if I did not have a car. I have to catch a bus to go find my child? So their ridiculous arguments about no cars have carried over into several post including this one. So would you summarize on trains and cars to where it makes sense instead of this crazy concept that they threw at us?
Let’s be realistic, why the hell are you on about the pros and cons of public transport, in a debate about optimising the use of cars?
My apologies if this thread is strictly about left turns and right turns. I would be all for that myself. But note that they never did respond about my analogy, such as getting my golf bag to the bus terminal and then to the country club, which would not likely have a bus dropped off at the pro shop. Another thread, I guess.
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@shavixmir saidThe research seems solid that it would reduce commutes by 15%. Turning a 20 minute commute into a 17 minute commute doesn't seem like a lot, but cumulatively its a hundred days less per person over their lifetime sitting in a car. Crazy.
I figure that, however, the science behind trafffic jams paints a different picture.
Basically, if there are a certain amount of cars on a road they can drive at speed X.
Add more cars, they can drive ar speed X-1.
To get from X to X-1, someone has to offer space, basically slowing up. This will lead to someone hitting the breaks, and this in turn leads to a wave of ...[text shortened]... er heard of your theory before, it’s interesting (not good for the tyres though) so I’ll look it up.
One way to look at it is if you had two different people commuting to the same place from different locations. The could both use a similar route where one is taking a right at a major intersection, while the other car needs to take a left. The complexity of the intersection requires protected turns which increases the time of the traffic light being red.
Now eliminate the left turn option. The first car could still use the route in the AM but chooses another option going home. The second car has an alternative morning commute but can use the same one as before going home, turning right.
The number of cars on the road is the same, but the number of decisions at each intersection goes down, making the cars easier to sort and the traffic light length less. Even at last resort, taking three consecutive rights instead of a left, the overall traffic moves 15% faster.
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@AverageJoe1 saidMaybe take your stack of dumb student loans and make a papier mache airplane to fly over all that traffic!
Because several posts back either Moonbase or Wildgrass suggested that we go to buses and public transportation to get rid of cars. Generally speaking. My immediate response was that if my child had written off on her bicycle, which they suggest, and I had not seen her for two hours, how would I get to her if I did not have a car. I have to catch a bus to go find my child ...[text shortened]... ountry club, which would not likely have a bus dropped off at the pro shop. Another thread, I guess.
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@shavixmir saidShav’s Forum ID seems to be under construction?
Let’s be realistic, why the hell are you on about the pros and cons of public transport, in a debate about optimising the use of cars?