Ouch! Looks like Kev and others are going to have to eat some major crow if this Washington Post article is accurate: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainian-military-officer-coordinated-nord-stream-pipeline-attack/ar-AA1jLI1c?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f51d47781f474397bde1292169aa2ef5&ei=25
Highlights:
"A senior Ukrainian military officer with deep ties to the country’s intelligence services played a central role in the bombing of the Nord Stream natural gas pipelines last year, according to officials in Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe, as well as other people knowledgeable about the details of the covert operation.
The officer’s role provides the most direct evidence to date tying Ukraine’s military and security leadership to a controversial act of sabotage that has spawned multiple criminal investigations and that U.S. and Western officials have called a dangerous attack on Europe’s energy infrastructure.
Roman Chervinsky, a decorated 48-year-old colonel who served in Ukraine’s special operations forces, was the “coordinator” of the Nord Stream operation, people familiar with his role said, managing logistics and support for a six-person team that rented a sailboat under false identities and used deep-sea diving equipment to place explosive charges on the gas pipelines. On Sept. 26, 2022, three explosions caused massive leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, which run from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea. The attack left only one of the four gas links in the network intact as winter approached.
Chervinsky did not act alone, and he did not plan the operation, according to the people familiar with his role, which has not been previously reported. The officer took orders from more senior Ukrainian officials, who ultimately reported to Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s highest-ranking military officer, said people familiar with how the operation was carried out. They spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive details about the bombing, which has strained diplomatic relations with Ukraine and drawn objections from U.S. officials."
"“All of those involved in planning and execution reported directly to [chief of defense] Zaluzhnyy, so Zelensky wouldn’t have known about it,” according to intelligence reporting obtained by the CIA that was allegedly shared by Jack Teixeira, a member of the Massachusetts Air National Guard, on the Discord chat platform. Officials in multiple countries have said privately they were confident that Zelensky didn’t personally approve the Nord Stream attack."
"In June 2022, the Dutch military intelligence agency, the MIVD, obtained information that Ukraine might be planning to attack Nord Stream. Officials at the CIA relayed to Zaluzhny through an intermediary that the United States opposed such an operation, according to people familiar with those conversations.
U.S. officials believed the attack had been called off. But it turned out only to have been postponed to three months later, using a different point of departure than originally planned. Key elements of the plan, including the number of people on the bombing team, as well as the use of a rented boat, diving equipment and fake identities, remained the same."
@no1marauder
Other pipelines have been sabotaged since then. You just missed that news because you were distracted with Hamas and Israel.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/energy/baltic-pipeline-explainer/index.html
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-knew-ukraine-planned-blow-nord-stream-pipeline-3-months-it-happened-wapo
@no1marauder saidIt’s all but certain that the Andromeda was used by Ukranians for the sabotage mission.
Ouch! Looks like Kev and others are going to have to eat some major crow if this Washington Post article is accurate: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainian-military-officer-coordinated-nord-stream-pipeline-attack/ar-AA1jLI1c?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f51d47781f474397bde1292169aa2ef5&ei=25
Highlights:
"A senior Ukrainian military officer with deep ties to the country’ ...[text shortened]... team, as well as the use of a rented boat, diving equipment and fake identities, remained the same."
There is some doubt, according to the MIVD, whether the attackmwas Ukrain sanctioned or whether Russia used Ukrainians to carry out the attack.
If it was, indeed, the Ukrainians behind it, it’s going to be rather uncomfortable for the EU. And it will play into the far-right agenda.
Ugh.
@moonbus saidSeymour Hersh said it was the US, but I suppose Biden could have used a proxy sabotage to accomplish it. Biden said he was going to take it out.
I remember experts at the time saying it looked like a very professional military operation, rather than the action of a smaller terrorist organization.
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
It sure the hell was not the Russians. That is for sure.
@metal-brain saidNo, that is not sure. It’s an assumption.
Seymour Hersh said it was the US, but I suppose Biden could have used a proxy sabotage to accomplish it. Biden said he was going to take it out.
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
It sure the hell was not the Russians. That is for sure.
However, I do nudge towards agreeing with you on this one.
@mott-the-hoople saidUh… international news journals as well.
washington post and msn π
for those that are blind…that is the biden admin propaganda arm
And the MIVD (Dutch CIA).
@shavixmir saidall off the same source (wapo) using unnamed sources
Uh… international news journals as well.
And the MIVD (Dutch CIA).
have you not got wise to that game yet?
@mott-the-hoople saidπ
all off the same source (wapo) using unnamed sources
have you not got wise to that game yet?
@no1marauder saidA) kev and the others said it was totally logical that it could have been the Russian state for the reasons I gave at the time and given its disuse and the fact that it could’ve been operational again within months it would have been a stupid move by Ukraine
Ouch! Looks like Kev and others are going to have to eat some major crow if this Washington Post article is accurate: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainian-military-officer-coordinated-nord-stream-pipeline-attack/ar-AA1jLI1c?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f51d47781f474397bde1292169aa2ef5&ei=25
Highlights:
"A senior Ukrainian military officer with deep ties to the country’ ...[text shortened]... team, as well as the use of a rented boat, diving equipment and fake identities, remained the same."
B) As a lawyer you should know that a newspaper article is not proof of guilt although Ukraine are definitely front runners now.
And I am eating nothing, you gambled based on an emotional attachment to Russia and you may have won.
@metal-brain saidHahaha only a halfwit would be certain of anything in this scenario if the article is correct Hersh is a lying scumbag like π yourself
Seymour Hersh said it was the US, but I suppose Biden could have used a proxy sabotage to accomplish it. Biden said he was going to take it out.
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
It sure the hell was not the Russians. That is for sure.
@kevcvs57 saidI have no "emotional attachment" to Russia and I never made any certain conclusions based on emotion like like you did.
A) kev and the others said it was totally logical that it could have been the Russian state for the reasons I gave at the time and given its disuse and the fact that it could’ve been operational again within months it would have been a stupid move by Ukraine
B) As a lawyer you should know that a newspaper article is not proof of guilt although Ukraine are definitely front ...[text shortened]... nd I am eating nothing, you gambled based on an emotional attachment to Russia and you may have won.
I said two things: 1) While more information was needed (there have been several investigations launched by Western States in the area regarding the incident - all of which have been very reluctant to provide much public information), Ukraine was the most likely suspect. It is at war with Russia (a war the latter illegally started) and striking at a source of Russian economic power was a logical move. Your ruminations regarding possible Russian motives was far fetched to say the least.
2) Assuming Ukraine did do the attacks, Nord Stream would be a legitimate target under the laws of war. No civilians were endangered and the pipelines provided significant revenue to a belligerent state.
Your assertions in A) have been refuted time and time again here; Nord Stream 2 was in use up until a short time before the attack (and it was Russia that suspended its use) and the pipelines still haven't been repaired and might never be.
@no1marauder saidWell I was pretty much the same only I was leaning toward Russia. I never made any definitive claims other than it was wrong to count Russia out as a suspect given their history of blaming others for what they themselves are intent on doing. Scariest time in the conflict was when Russia claimed that Ukraine was going to sabotage the biggest nuclear power station in Europe.
I have no "emotional attachment" to Russia and I never made any certain conclusions based on emotion like like you did.
I said two things: 1) While more information was needed (there have been several investigations launched by Western States in the area regarding the incident - all of which have been very reluctant to provide much public information), Ukraine was the ...[text shortened]... was Russia that suspended its use) and the pipelines still haven't been repaired and might never be.
My mind was never closed to Ukraine being the culprit other than it seemed a stupid move.