@AverageJoe1 saidUh… Denmark. Europe and NATO, you mean.
Hello Netherlanders…
Denmark can hardly defend themselves. If China attacked Denmark today, Denmark would call up on the USA to protect them.
Demark is solely responsible for the security of Greenland. Do you follow me so far. If that same China group or Russia for that matter decide to descend upon Greenland, Denmark cannot defend Greenland.. Are you with me?
So ...[text shortened]... akes over Greenland, there will be no ship passages, including military and trade.
Your thoughts?
@shavixmir saidWhatever...I loved it when Trump said that if things don't work out, ....we will remember. So, Then Pakistan attacks the winnowy Netherlands, you know,,,,you know....that your FIRST call will be to trump...he can't wait to get on the phone with you. No telling WHAT he will want then. It won't be your ice skates.
Uh… Denmark. Europe and NATO, you mean.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidIn your fantasies.
Did you see the hundreds of FBI undercover agitators?
They were fools that Trump had somehow convinced that he was the only one who could solve the problems they feared. After he had scared the bejesus out of them for four years with tales of being "persecuted", and tales of "murderers" and "rapists" coming over the border. They can all rot in prison as far as I care. They were victims of Trump, sure, but they never would have followed him down the rabbit hole if they weren't the stupidest people in America.
@AverageJoe1 saidPsst, please tell Trump China has the largest windfarm on the planet. So large in fact it is visible from space.
Whatever...I loved it when Trump said that if things don't work out, ....we will remember. So, Then Pakistan attacks the winnowy Netherlands, you know,,,,you know....that your FIRST call will be to trump...he can't wait to get on the phone with you. No telling WHAT he will want then. It won't be your ice skates.
NATO was also there militarily for America following the 9/11 attacks. (You know, in Afghanistan).
Spare further embarrassment...
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@AverageJoe1 saidTrump is the LAST person I would call if I wanted a solution, to ANYthing.
Whatever...I loved it when Trump said that if things don't work out, ....we will remember. So, Then Pakistan attacks the winnowy Netherlands, you know,,,,you know....that your FIRST call will be to trump...he can't wait to get on the phone with you. No telling WHAT he will want then. It won't be your ice skates.
And freaking Pakistan isn't gonna attack the Netherlands. What kind of moron are you to believe that anyways?
@Mott-The-Hoople saidSigned by Trump, I suppose?
Sorry I’m late…if you will let me know how much rent I owe you I will get a check in the mail 😉
What a maroon.
@AverageJoe1 saidThis is really as dumb as it gets.
Hello Netherlanders…
Denmark can hardly defend themselves. If China attacked Denmark today, Denmark would call up on the USA to protect them.
Demark is solely responsible for the security of Greenland. Do you follow me so far. If that same China group or Russia for that matter decide to descend upon Greenland, Denmark cannot defend Greenland.. Are you with me?
So ...[text shortened]... akes over Greenland, there will be no ship passages, including military and trade.
Your thoughts?
Have you never heard of NATO?
(Pay particular attention to Article 5.)
The North Atlantic Treaty
Washington D.C. - 4 April 1949
6 MIN READ
The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and all governments.
They are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage and civilisation of their peoples, founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law. They seek to promote stability and well-being in the North Atlantic area.
They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defence and for the preservation of peace and security.
They therefore agree to this North Atlantic Treaty :
Article 1
The Parties undertake, as set forth in the Charter of the United Nations, to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.
Article 2
The Parties will contribute toward the further development of peaceful and friendly international relations by strengthening their free institutions, by bringing about a better understanding of the principles upon which these institutions are founded, and by promoting conditions of stability and well-being. They will seek to eliminate conflict in their international economic policies and will encourage economic collaboration between any or all of them.
Article 3
In order more effectively to achieve the objectives of this Treaty, the Parties, separately and jointly, by means of continuous and effective self-help and mutual aid, will maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack.
Article 4
The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.
Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .
Article 6 1
For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.
Article 7
This Treaty does not affect, and shall not be interpreted as affecting in any way the rights and obligations under the Charter of the Parties which are members of the United Nations, or the primary responsibility of the Security Council for the maintenance of international peace and security.
Article 8
Each Party declares that none of the international engagements now in force between it and any other of the Parties or any third State is in conflict with the provisions of this Treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any international engagement in conflict with this Treaty.
Article 9
The Parties hereby establish a Council, on which each of them shall be represented, to consider matters concerning the implementation of this Treaty. The Council shall be so organised as to be able to meet promptly at any time. The Council shall set up such subsidiary bodies as may be necessary; in particular it shall establish immediately a defence committee which shall recommend measures for the implementation of Articles 3 and 5.
Article 10
The Parties may, by unanimous agreement, invite any other European State in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area to accede to this Treaty. Any State so invited may become a Party to the Treaty by depositing its instrument of accession with the Government of the United States of America. The Government of the United States of America will inform each of the Parties of the deposit of each such instrument of accession.
Article 11
This Treaty shall be ratified and its provisions carried out by the Parties in accordance with their respective constitutional processes. The instruments of ratification shall be deposited as soon as possible with the Government of the United States of America, which will notify all the other signatories of each deposit. The Treaty shall enter into force between the States which have ratified it as soon as the ratifications of the majority of the signatories, including the ratifications of Belgium, Canada, France, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom and the United States, have been deposited and shall come into effect with respect to other States on the date of the deposit of their ratifications.3
Article 12
After the Treaty has been in force for ten years, or at any time thereafter, the Parties shall, if any of them so requests, consult together for the purpose of reviewing the Treaty, having regard for the factors then affecting peace and security in the North Atlantic area, including the development of universal as well as regional arrangements under the Charter of the United Nations for the maintenance of international peace and security.
Article 13
After the Treaty has been in force for twenty years, any Party may cease to be a Party one year after its notice of denunciation has been given to the Government of the United States of America, which will inform the Governments of the other Parties of the deposit of each notice of denunciation.
Article 14
This Treaty, of which the English and French texts are equally authentic, shall be deposited in the archives of the Government of the United States of America. Duly certified copies will be transmitted by that Government to the Governments of other signatories.
1. The definition of the territories to which Article 5 applies was revised by Article 2 of the Protocol to the North Atlantic Treaty on the accession of Greece and Turkey signed on 22 October 1951.
2. On January 16, 1963, the North Atlantic Council noted that insofar as the former Algerian Departments of France were concerned, the relevant clauses of this Treaty had become inapplicable as from July 3, 1962..
3. The Treaty came into force on 24 August 1949, after the deposition of the ratifications of all signatory states.
https://www.nato.int/en/about-us/official-texts-and-resources/official-texts/1949/04/04/the-north-atlantic-treaty
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@Suzianne saiddumb is to think treaties cannot be changed...even this treaty has revisions since its inception
This is really as dumb as it gets.
Have you never heard of NATO?
(Pay particular attention to Article 5.)
The North Atlantic Treaty
Washington D.C. - 4 April 1949
6 MIN READ
[i]The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and a ...[text shortened]... ato.int/en/about-us/official-texts-and-resources/official-texts/1949/04/04/the-north-atlantic-treaty
@Suzianne saidLaudits, a very nice post, it is refreshing I must say. And of course....there 'tis.
This is really as dumb as it gets.
Have you never heard of NATO?
(Pay particular attention to Article 5.)
The North Atlantic Treaty
Washington D.C. - 4 April 1949
6 MIN READ
[i]The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and a ...[text shortened]... ato.int/en/about-us/official-texts-and-resources/official-texts/1949/04/04/the-north-atlantic-treaty
But, respectfully, and without meaning to sound ugly, Have You Ever Heard Of Donald Trump? Everyone in that room.....have all now heard of Donal Trump in the raw. About all that he has ever dreamed up and done have worked out quite well, so assuming he smartly gets around that 'outdated' (?) and not-so-strong document, things may work out well. We need Greenland for security reasons, not the elements, etc. Let us see one country disagree with Trump on that?
And who better than Trump, like him or not, and what country better than the USA. In thinking of America First, he does not want our children to have China or Russsia heading this way, now, do we.
@AverageJoe1 saidSo by scaring people with China and Russia, Americans can just take what they want, is that it? Show some sense and manners, please.
Laudits, a very nice post, it is refreshing I must say. And of course....there 'tis.
But, respectfully, and without meaning to sound ugly, Have You Ever Heard Of Donald Trump? Everyone in that room.....have all now heard of Donal Trump in the raw. About all that he has ever dreamed up and done have worked out quite well, so assuming he smartly gets around that 'out ...[text shortened]... America First, he does not want our children to have China or Russsia heading this way, now, do we.
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@Torunn saidI can see perfectly why liberals, who are somewhat ninnies, would consider negotiations to be scare tactics. Sue likes to use the word bully. All sides review negotiations from a different perspective. Remember, Don wrote a book about negotiations. He knows what he is doing. He probably knows that some people are scared, but he cannot worry about that. He is trying to make us the greatest country in the world.
So by scaring people with China and Russia, Americans can just take what they want, is that it? Show some sense and manners, please.
I am curious as I always am with this question… What else would you have the United States Do, what else would you have Donald Trump do. What else would you have had Kamala do? He did say that we would probably be in a world war had he lost the election. I believe that do you.?
Allow me to apologize regarding the lack of manners. My granny would be upset too. Manners first, she always said.
@AverageJoe1 saidUhuh…
Whatever...I loved it when Trump said that if things don't work out, ....we will remember. So, Then Pakistan attacks the winnowy Netherlands, you know,,,,you know....that your FIRST call will be to trump...he can't wait to get on the phone with you. No telling WHAT he will want then. It won't be your ice skates.
@AverageJoe1 said"He is trying to make us the greatest country in the world."
I can see perfectly why liberals, who are somewhat ninnies, would consider negotiations to be scare tactics. Sue likes to use the word bully. All sides review negotiations from a different perspective. Remember, Don wrote a book about negotiations. He knows what he is doing. He probably knows that some people are scared, but he cannot worry about that. He is trying to ma ...[text shortened]... gize regarding the lack of manners. My granny would be upset too. Manners first, she always said.
Ridiculous.