@earl-of-trumps saidOf course not. You're a conservative. Which is why you have no right to call anyone "Nazis" except your own side.
I don't think there is a thing wrong with wearing black face.
@earl-of-trumps saidYes.
@shavixmir
Ok, for you I'll amend it.
How about "Bolsheviks"? ... "Maoists"...?
Ah, dang it, how about violent people?
@earl-of-trumps saidI don’t think there’s anything wrong with wearing blackface either.
I don't think there is a thing wrong with wearing black face. It is an expression.
Freedom of speech, ya know?
What I was trying to do was show liberals in complete contradiction. it worked!
Unless it’s because black people aren’t allowed on stage or otherwise can’t get a job.
How come gender fluidity is acceptable, but racial fluidity isn’t?
How come dressing up as Bette Midler is a joke and dressing up as Samual L. Jackson is racist?
I find it all rather far fetched.
And very polarized.
And that, me thinks, is why blackfacing is probably best alone for a while. We have to step away from polarization. If we don’t (and this is the all-inclusive “we” ), we’re going to rip society and peace to shreds.
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@soothfast saidI have no desire to wear blackface. No need.
Sure it is. And has anyone ever been jailed for wearing black face?
Mm hm. That's right. Go ahead and wear it. But like with any speech, be prepared for societal consequences.
We all live in a society. I guess I should have mentioned that first.
Can a man wear women's rouge without suffering "social consequences"?
If we ever expect that society to be fully integrated we have to get to the point
where such trivialities are not done to ire people in the first place.
We're not there.
EDIT TO AD: The only time I read the NYT Is when it is an article on Drudge.
@shavixmir saidExactly.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wearing blackface either.
Unless it’s because black people aren’t allowed on stage or otherwise can’t get a job.
How come gender fluidity is acceptable, but racial fluidity isn’t?
How come dressing up as Bette Midler is a joke and dressing up as Samual L. Jackson is racist?
I find it all rather far fetched.
And very polar ...[text shortened]... . If we don’t (and this is the all-inclusive “we” ), we’re going to rip society and peace to shreds.
In America (and Canada, too - Trudeau) wearing blackface is considered "cultural appropriation"
But a man wearing woman's rouge is considered a fundamental glorious labor!
Don't look at me, man. Prog rules.
@earl-of-trumps saidNot prog rules.
Exactly.
In America (and Canada, too - Trudeau) wearing blackface is considered "cultural appropriation"
But a man wearing woman's rouge is considered a fundamental glorious labor!
Don't look at me, man. Prog rules.
It’s a progressive reaction to systemic racism.
And so, instead of racists being enlightened, perific projections are targetted.
And the more the likes of you, Whodey, etc. dig your heels in, the more perific projections are targetted (like statues and flags) and the more the right digs its heels in (Rush Limbaugh suggesting cannabalism is an acceptable mechanism).
And that little circle is called polarization.
As I understand it, Bari Weiss really is a centrist, and she is also a very staunch Zionist.
I think she is being cheerleaded by the right so much because the mainstream American right are interested in saving Ben Shapiro-type Zionist conservatives & neocons, and aren't actually that serious about standing up for free speech more broadly.
@earl-of-trumps said"NeoNazis on the left"?
@vivify
The only difference between NeoNazis on the right and NeoNazis on the left
is the ideology they are intolerant to -
Let google be your friend Earl before you make a fool of yourself.
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@earl-of-trumps saidI know it's a tragedy for some that Aunt Jemima pancake syrup is going to be going the way of the dodo, but there really are far more pressing matters facing humanity. Climate change, pandemics, poverty, wars, sociopathic jack-o-lanterns in the Oval Office, and so on. That a white man cannot any longer wear blackface without suffering political, professional, or interpersonal blowback is barely a blip on my radar.
I have no desire to wear blackface. No need.
Can a man wear women's rouge without suffering "social consequences"?
If we ever expect that society to be fully integrated we have to get to the point
where such trivialities are not done to ire people in the first place.
We're not there.
EDIT TO AD: The only time I read the NYT Is when it is an article on Drudge.
I would add, though, that people who are discovered to have worn blackface 15 or 20 years ago at a Halloween party should not be held to today's new standard. If such "outed" individuals apologize and acknowledge that what they did was insensitive, then everyone can move on. If we afford no quarter to people who did things "back when" that nowadays are considered "not pc," that can only lead to their radicalization.
I watch Family Guy quite a lot. The show's mastermind, Seth MacFarlane, is thus not to be considered "pc" by any stretch. He's also a raging liberal who forks wads of cash over to Democrats. In Family Guy there is a place for the kind of edgy humor that makes light of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. The trick to it is to treat everyone equally: that is, everyone gets lampooned, including white guys and liberals. I like that approach, and though it's certainly not a show for everyone, no one is forced to watch it. My point? Just that there are proper venues for being "un-pc," and liberals cannot be lumped together as being monolithically humorless and/or unable to laugh at themselves. We laugh at ourselves all the time.
EDIT: This post of mine drifted a bit off the main topic of this thread, but I'll leave it as is. It's broadly directed at all the myriad moanings lately being emitted hereabouts on the subject of "the left's" alleged crusade to wring every last ounce of mirth from life with "cancel culture," speech codes, and political correctness.
@Philokalia
I don't know about that, Phil. I think the right feels the right to free speech is
very much impeded by the over-sensitive left.
I just read the other day about a long term Art museum curator, who was
lecturing, in-house, about the effort he is putting on in getting artwork from
diverse cultures. In the end, he said words to the effect of, "But don't worry,
we won't stop collecting art by white people"
they FIRED him.
@Soothfast to have worn blackface 15 or 20 years ago at a Halloween party should not be held to today's new standard. If such "outed" individuals apologize and acknowledge that what they did was insensitive
My personal feeling is, what the "outed" individual did 15 years ago (depending on context) was only brought to light by overly-sensitive people.
Much ado about nothing.
And I agree with your assessment of "Family Guy". Don't I wish that all people
can be that aloof and amused about being spoofed.
@earl-of-trumps saidAmerica has become extraordinarily polarised in the decades since I left. It takes two to tango. There are extremists on both sides. Neither end of the spectrum is willing to concede that the other end represents some legitimate interests and both turn a blind eye to illegitimate means employed by their own side to further those interests.
So sad, but this is but an example of the extremes that liberal
leftists have now gone. What ever happened to the Party of
"Tolerance" and "Inclusion"?
Bari Weiss on why she left the New York Times
[quote]Weiss, one of the few centrist voices at The Times, said she faced bullying at the paper for her views, and that the free exchange of ideas on the opi ...[text shortened]... erica's Neo Nazis.
https://nypost.com/2020/07/14/bari-weiss-on-why-she-left-the-new-york-times/
@moonbus saidHence the need for a centrist.
America has become extraordinarily polarised in the decades since I left. It takes two to tango. There are extremists on both sides. Neither end of the spectrum is willing to concede that the other end represents some legitimate interests and both turn a blind eye to illegitimate means employed by their own side to further those interests.
Biden 2020.
Polarization presents the greatest risk to democracy.
Biden will at least settle things down a bit.
Trying to call him a Marxist is just an exercise in hysteria.
@earl-of-trumps saidAbsolutely correct. The Neo-Nazis on the left have prominent jobs at places such as the New York Times and use their real names in spreading their hatred. The Neo-Nazis on the right live in shacks in the woods and if they have any Internet presence at all, it is concealed behind anonymous logins.
@vivifyYou do realize that *actual* neo-Nazis are on the right, correct? And that white nationalists and the KKK are also on the right?
The only difference between NeoNazis on the right and NeoNazis on the left
is the ideology they are intolerant to - that, and their sheer numbers and the
influence that they have in the media and the congress. We k ...[text shortened]... at the
KKK and white supremacists are very limited in power, the left scares the
crap out of me.
I keep hoping that the left will catch a glimpse of themselves in the mirror and see just how full of hate they've become.