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  1. 27 Mar '15 11:09
    I just realized that the two men have more in common than we think.

    1. Both one term Senators.
    2. Both with no real accomplishments while in the Senate.
    3. Both have questions as to whether they are US citizens.
    4. Both have racial aspects to their campaign, one an African American and the other Hispanic.
    5. Both are politically polarizing.
  2. 27 Mar '15 13:08
    Originally posted by whodey
    I just realized that the two men have more in common than we think.

    1. Both one term Senators.
    2. Both with no real accomplishments while in the Senate.
    3. Both have questions as to whether they are US citizens.
    4. Both have racial aspects to their campaign, one an African American and the other Hispanic.
    5. Both are politically polarizing.
    6.both were 9 years old at one time
    7.both were born on one of the seven days of the week.
    8.both regularly drink water
  3. 27 Mar '15 13:52 / 4 edits
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    6.both were 9 years old at one time
    7.both were born on one of the seven days of the week.
    8.both regularly drink water
    9. Both use brillian rhetoric to sell unworkable solutions.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/like-obama-ted-cruz-uses-brilliant-rhetoric-to-sell-a-bad-idea/article/2534602#!


    In recent weeks, some liberal commentators have taken to calling Ted Cruz a demagogue. They concede the freshman Republican senator from Texas is smart as hell. He's an impressive speaker. An imposing debater. For those reasons, many liberals see Cruz as dangerous, pointing especially to his campaign for a completely unworkable proposal to defund Obamacare.

    So here's a question for those liberals: Since when is putting extraordinary rhetorical skills at the service of unworkable proposals a problem?

    The idea that the government could spur economic recovery by creating millions of mythical "green jobs" was clearly unworkable, and yet in 2008 presidential candidate Barack Obama made it a major part of his agenda.

    The idea that the government could pay for health coverage for millions of uninsured Americans and save money at the same time was clearly unworkable, and yet Obama adopted that, too.


    Obama used his considerable communications skills to ride his unworkable ideas all the way to the White House. Perhaps some liberals worry that Cruz could be a formidable candidate, too.

    Truth be told, some moderate Republicans agree with the liberal critique of Cruz, although most don't want to say so for public consumption. They worry that the new senator is using his talents to stir up the GOP base for lost causes -- defunding Obamacare is Exhibit A -- that could ensure Republican defeat for years to come.

    But it's possible that what worries them most is Cruz's sheer talent. Anyone who watched his performance this week at the Heritage Action Defund Obamacare town hall in Dallas would concede that Cruz is able to take a wrongheaded proposal and make an absolutely compelling argument for it.

    It's not easy. Acknowledging that Republicans don't have the votes to defund the president's health care law, Cruz essentially seeks to create a wave of public outrage that would force Congress to go along with the small number of Republicans behind the defunding initiative. If that doesn't work, Cruz proposes to "win the argument" by persuading the public to blame President Obama for any government shutdown that results.

    It's not going to happen. But for a moment evaluate Cruz by Obama 2008 standards. No matter the quality of his ideas, the man can perform.

    Cruz based his case on Obama's recent decision to postpone enforcement of the employer mandate. "President Obama has already unilaterally and lawlessly granted waivers from the employer mandate of Obamacare to every giant corporation in America," Cruz said. "Why is it that the president is threatening to shut down the federal government to deny those very same waivers to hard-working American families?"

    It's not a bad question. Big business complained about Obamacare, and Obama listened. Regular citizens -- not so much.

    Cruz was interrupted three times by hecklers. Each time he treated them with respect and equanimity. At the same time, he worked the crowd into an Obama-like lather.

    "Can we restore the United States Constitution?"

    "Yes, we can!"

    "Can we bring back jobs?"

    "Yes, we can!"

    "Can we stop the IRS?"

    "Yes, we can!"

    "Can we defund Obamacare?"

    "Yes, we can!"

    Of course defunding Obamacare could lead to a standoff with the president, Cruz warned. "And if you have an impasse, one side or the other has to blink. How do we win this fight?" A brief pause, and then: "Don't blink!"

    He made it all sound enormously simple.

    Perhaps some liberals worry that a candidate Cruz might be able to mesmerize crowds with bad ideas. It's certainly happened before. In August 2008, for example, as Obama stood in front of a fake colonnade in Denver's INVESCO Field, a virtually hypnotized audience chanted "O-BA-MA, O-BA-MA, O-BA-MA." What did it matter whether his ideas would work?

    So perhaps now the Obama chanters should ease off on their complaints about Cruz.

    Of course, Republicans shouldn't want a candidate to argue bad ideas brilliantly. They should want a candidate to argue good ideas brilliantly. Cruz is off-base about defunding, but that doesn't mean he could not be an astonishingly effective advocate for good Republican ideas in the future.

    Cruz is making his first trip to New Hampshire Friday in what appears to be an accelerating effort to prepare for a possible presidential run. He's already wowed Republican audiences during two visits to Iowa. If he does run, it's possible he could blow crowds away with Obama-like force. No wonder there are some worried people out there.
  4. 27 Mar '15 13:56
    I don't think that the old strategy of painting the GOP opponent as "stupid" will work against Cruz. Maybe they can paint his as "crazy" instead.
  5. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    27 Mar '15 14:29
    Ted Cruz is a Spic
  6. 27 Mar '15 20:37
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Ted Cruz is a Spic
    That'll work. No self-respecting Republican, let alone a Tea Bagger, will ever vote for a Spic. Or a Wop.
  7. 29 Mar '15 03:12
    10. Both attended Harvard law school.

    How many here think Obama is smarter than Cruz who graduated at the top of his class?
  8. 29 Mar '15 08:32
    Originally posted by whodey
    10. Both attended Harvard law school.

    How many here think Obama is smarter than Cruz who graduated at the top of his class?
    I have no idea how "smart" both men are (probably not very), but a measly law degree is not much to go on.
  9. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    29 Mar '15 09:10 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    10. Both attended Harvard law school.

    How many here think Obama is smarter than Cruz who graduated at the top of his class?
    Cruz graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School which means he could not have graduated "top of his class" (which would require a summa cum laude designation).http://www.yaliberty.org/pac/candidates/cruz

    EDIT: Cruz graduated from Harvard Law in 1995; 16% of students received magna cum laude degrees under the system then in existence there. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-06-09/news/9906100096_1_laude-harvard-law-school-system-implemented-three-years
  10. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    29 Mar '15 10:44
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Cruz graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School which means he could not have graduated "top of his class" (which would require a summa cum laude designation).http://www.yaliberty.org/pac/candidates/cruz

    EDIT: Cruz graduated from Harvard Law in 1995; 16% of students received magna cum laude degrees under the system then in existence there. http ...[text shortened]... tribune.com/1999-06-09/news/9906100096_1_laude-harvard-law-school-system-implemented-three-years
    Primus inter pares?
  11. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    29 Mar '15 14:26
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Cruz graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School which means he could not have graduated "top of his class" (which would require a summa cum laude designation).http://www.yaliberty.org/pac/candidates/cruz

    EDIT: Cruz graduated from Harvard Law in 1995; 16% of students received magna cum laude degrees under the system then in existence there. http ...[text shortened]... tribune.com/1999-06-09/news/9906100096_1_laude-harvard-law-school-system-implemented-three-years
    Top 16% of Harvard Law is impressive enough.
  12. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    29 Mar '15 14:28
    The idea of Cruz being the "anti-Obama" is a very interesting one.
  13. 29 Mar '15 14:45
    Originally posted by sh76
    Top 16% of Harvard Law is impressive enough.
    Yeah, just imagine all the coke-snorting legacy admission silver spoon kids you have to beat.
  14. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    29 Mar '15 15:08
    Originally posted by sh76
    Top 16% of Harvard Law is impressive enough.
    I would not say it isn't an excellent level of academic achievement but it's a bit of hyperbole to claim he was the "top of his class".