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  1. 16 Jan '13 18:10 / 1 edit
    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/16/obama-to-announce-gun-control-proposals-shortly/?hpt=hp_c1

    1. "Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system."

    2. "Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system."

    3. "Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system."

    4. "Direct the attorney general to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks."

    5. "Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun."

    6. "Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers."

    7. "Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign."

    8. "Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission)."

    9. "Issue a presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations."

    10. "Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement."

    11. "Nominate an ATF director."

    12. "Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations."

    13. "Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime."

    14. "Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence."

    15. "Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies."

    16. "Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes."

    17. "Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities."

    18. "Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers."

    19. "Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education."

    20. "Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover."

    21. "Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges."

    22. "Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations."

    23. "Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health."

    Edit: plus some proposals for congress to act on.
  2. Standard member sasquatch672
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    16 Jan '13 19:40
    Originally posted by JS357
    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/16/obama-to-announce-gun-control-proposals-shortly/?hpt=hp_c1

    1. "Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system."

    2. "Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, t ...[text shortened]...
    Edit: plus some proposals for congress to act on.
    I particularly enjoyed #19. We've lived too long without disaster drills in schools. In the 1950s, we had first-graders hiding under their desks for fear of Soviet atom bombs. Today we can have kids drilling to hide under their desks for fear of a gun attack.

    Great idea. As if school (because it's run by government) doesn't already suck.
  3. 16 Jan '13 20:02
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    I particularly enjoyed #19. We've lived too long without disaster drills in schools. In the 1950s, we had first-graders hiding under their desks for fear of Soviet atom bombs. Today we can have kids drilling to hide under their desks for fear of a gun attack.

    Great idea. As if school (because it's run by government) doesn't already suck.
    There's one at:

    http://orise.orau.gov/csepp/documents/planning/guidance-documents/other-planning-guidance/School_EmergencyPlan.pdf

    "Established as an official U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) institute in 1992, with programs dating back to 1946, the Oak Ridge Institute for Science and Education (ORISE) is a national leader in science education and research."

    Page 35 addresses "threatening individuals" but is clearly weak wrt active shooters.
  4. Subscriber AThousandYoung
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    17 Jan '13 17:00
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    I particularly enjoyed #19. We've lived too long without disaster drills in schools. In the 1950s, we had first-graders hiding under their desks for fear of Soviet atom bombs. Today we can have kids drilling to hide under their desks for fear of a gun attack.

    Great idea. As if school (because it's run by government) doesn't already suck.
    We already have that. Little kids are expected to use a bucket in the closet if there is a lockdown and they have to poo.
  5. 17 Jan '13 17:34
    With all this hoopla over nothing I'm wondering if politicians on both sides are just trying to use this go get people to buy guns. Someone is making a bunch of money off of this.
  6. 18 Jan '13 02:12
    Originally posted by JS357
    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/16/obama-to-announce-gun-control-proposals-shortly/?hpt=hp_c1

    1. "Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system."

    2. "Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, t ...[text shortened]...
    Edit: plus some proposals for congress to act on.
    No 2 seems to conflict immediately with doctor patient confidentiality. If you had some mental problem, would you even see a doctor if you knew it could become public knowledge?

    The huge mental health problem I see, and it is directly related to mass shooting, though not necessarily causally, is the incidence of young men on psychotropic meds doing the shooting. We are prescribing Ritalin like M&Ms to kids as young as 4 years old. Ritalin is a class 3 narcotic, same as cocaine and little boys are given it to calm down what is the nature of little boys.

    The notion that we can intercept these boys later on is bizarre. Why not stop drugging little boys in the first place?
  7. 18 Jan '13 02:15
    Originally posted by JS357
    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/16/obama-to-announce-gun-control-proposals-shortly/?hpt=hp_c1

    1. "Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system."

    2. "Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, t ...[text shortened]...
    Edit: plus some proposals for congress to act on.
    Note how many of the proposals involve force or coercion under the ACA? Number 16 is particularly offensive, as if a gun in the home is like vials of anthrax.
  8. 18 Jan '13 06:38
    Originally posted by JS357
    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/16/obama-to-announce-gun-control-proposals-shortly/?hpt=hp_c1

    1. "Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system."

    2. "Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, t ...[text shortened]...
    Edit: plus some proposals for congress to act on.
    Excellent
  9. Standard member sasquatch672
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    18 Jan '13 07:04
    Originally posted by moon1969
    Excellent
    I'm surprised. It really does nothing to accomplish your goal of dearmament and the creation of a surveillance state.
  10. 18 Jan '13 07:42
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Note how many of the proposals involve force or coercion under the ACA? Number 16 is particularly offensive, as if a gun in the home is like vials of anthrax.
    How is that "force or coercion" ? It is simply stating that a certain law does not prohibit a doctor from asking a question. There is nothing in it that forces anyone to do anything.

    Granted, this one puzzles me a bit. In which situations is asking this question relevant to a doctor (maybe in cases of depression, where a doctor might advise not to keep any guns in the house to decrease chances of suicide ?). It also makes me wonder why the clarification is needed. If there are people who don't want to answer the question and cite some misinterpretation of the ACA to claim the doctor shouldn't answer that question in the first place, then these people probably wouldn't answer anyway. Are there then any doctors that are being sued based on this misinterpretation ?