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This is yet another example of why Obama is not a liberal. Any leftist will tell you he's not left. He's centrist. Just because he's left of the right wingers does not make him leftist. A liberal would never propose this:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/31/obama.energy/index.html?hpt=T1

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Why does this make him not a liberal? Is it because liberals refuse to make allow the country to be self sufficient? or is it because any idea that might benefit a corporation has to bad?

Clearly this does not change whether he is a liberal or not

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Originally posted by quackquack
Why does this make him not a liberal? Is it because liberals refuse to make allow the country to be self sufficient? or is it because any idea that might benefit a corporation has to bad?

Clearly this does not change whether he is a liberal or not
There are many ways to go about energy self-sufficiency.

But I agree this is less about him being between liberals and conservatives (as ideologies) and perhaps more about being between the Republican and the Democratic party.

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Originally posted by Palynka
There are many ways to go about energy self-sufficiency.

But I agree this is less about him being between liberals and conservatives (as ideologies) and perhaps more about being between the Republican and the Democratic party.
Maybe he just thinks the positives outweigh the negatives.

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Originally posted by quackquack
Maybe he just thinks the positives outweigh the negatives.
Obviously, but how you set the weights depends on your political position.

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Originally posted by Palynka
There are many ways to go about energy self-sufficiency.

But I agree this is less about him being between liberals and conservatives (as ideologies) and perhaps more about being between the Republican and the Democratic party.
In the context of US politics, it would seem that Americans generally define "liberal" and "conservative" as "Democrat" and "Republican", respectively.

In a more international perspective, I would call both Democrats and Republicans right-wing conservatives.

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Originally posted by KazetNagorra
In the context of US politics, it would seem that Americans generally define "liberal" and "conservative" as "Democrat" and "Republican", respectively.
I agree that the ideologies are generally defined as: liberal (resp. conservative) ideology = Democrat (resp. Republican) ideology.

But then parties are more than their underlying ideologies.

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Originally posted by Badwater
This is yet another example of why Obama is not a liberal. Any leftist will tell you he's not left. He's centrist. Just because he's left of the right wingers does not make him leftist. A liberal would never propose this:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/31/obama.energy/index.html?hpt=T1
the term that's missing there is "California".

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Originally posted by Badwater
This is yet another example of why Obama is not a liberal. Any leftist will tell you he's not left. He's centrist. Just because he's left of the right wingers does not make him leftist. A liberal would never propose this:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/31/obama.energy/index.html?hpt=T1
This doesn't mean he's not a liberal.

In order to govern his country efficiently he must compromise on certain areas, but that doesn't mean he changed his political positions overnight.

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From the fable book

grasshoppers are liberals,, ants are conservative....

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Originally posted by Badwater
This is yet another example of why Obama is not a liberal. Any leftist will tell you he's not left. He's centrist. Just because he's left of the right wingers does not make him leftist. A liberal would never propose this:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/31/obama.energy/index.html?hpt=T1
With "W" inacting one of the largets entitlements in US history and spending more than any other president in US history and being referred to as a conservative the term conservative has lost its meaning. What we have today is more of the same only on a larger scale with Obama. In fact, both have yet to increase taxes significantly.

The new term should be statist. A statist is someone who observes the never ending problems within society and seeks to empower goverment to "solve" them all for us in never ending ways. This is a far more accurate term in modern politics today.

As far as liberals go, the traditional meaing of "liberal" is the opposite of authoritarian. For an administration that is mandating that we all buy health coverage, or else, I think to call them liberals is a misnomer. For the statist, authoritarian rule is the only way they can implement their agenda. Get used to it. 😉

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A statist is someone who observes the never ending problems within society and seeks to empower goverment to "solve" them all for us in never ending ways.

But conservatives rarely offer any alternative ways of solving these problems. Which leaves a large vacuum that these statists are quick to fill.

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Originally posted by Melanerpes
[b]A statist is someone who observes the never ending problems within society and seeks to empower goverment to "solve" them all for us in never ending ways.

But conservatives rarely offer any alternative ways of solving these problems. Which leaves a large vacuum that these statists are quick to fill.[/b]
Not true. The conservatives simply don't offer solutions that proport to solve everyones problems every time every where. If you do, you will find yourself on a fast track to unsustainability.

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Originally posted by whodey
Not true. The conservatives simply don't offer solutions that proport to solve everyones problems every time every where. If you do, you will find yourself on a fast track to unsustainability.
whodey, you have to accept that sometimes you have to pour money into the problem to solve it. Surely that can't be statist.

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Originally posted by generalissimo
This doesn't mean he's not a liberal.

In order to govern his country efficiently he must compromise on certain areas, but that doesn't mean he changed his political positions overnight.
Anyone who runs on the Democratic ticket is loudly declared "far left" by the Republicans.

Obama is for capital punishment, he's for 'civil unions' as opposed to gay marriage, he's against legalizing marijuana, he's for a strong military and he's very hawkish on Afghanistan.

He's left of center and that's about it. Also, on the subject of offshore drilling Obama is being consistent. During the campaign he was adamantly opposed at first, but he later softened his stance saying he's willing to include off shore drilling as part of a comprehensive energy policy (if) we also include alternative energy strategies.

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