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    04 Jan '17 17:48
    Freaking turns out he's the lunatic. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2531054/america-special-forces-russian-border-lithuania-obama-putin/
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    04 Jan '17 17:57
    Well he is leaving office.

    Looks like Trump will inherit a world full of poo after Obama.
  3. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    04 Jan '17 17:59
    You prefer appeasement?
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    04 Jan '17 17:59
    Originally posted by kquinn909
    Freaking turns out he's the lunatic. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2531054/america-special-forces-russian-border-lithuania-obama-putin/
    Well, only the libtards haven't figured that out .. you know, the smart ones 😛
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    04 Jan '17 22:19
    Originally posted by kquinn909
    Freaking turns out he's the lunatic. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2531054/america-special-forces-russian-border-lithuania-obama-putin/
    take a chill pill you lunatic. they are simply flexing their muscles, both of them. nobody will start ww3 especially not over something as idiotic as this. that is, if it's even true, the sun is little better than the onion.
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    05 Jan '17 04:05
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    You prefer appeasement?
    I wouldn't go to the bears house and poke a stick into him.
  7. Standard membershavixmir
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    05 Jan '17 05:172 edits
    Although it pains me to agree with half the sentiments here.... Nato doing tank-division exercises on the Eastern Polish border isn't a very smart thing to do.

    The Russians are a bit paranoid about large amounts of (German) divisions massing newr their borders... it's not ended well for them a few times...
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    06 Jan '17 02:581 edit
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Although it pains me to agree with half the sentiments here.... Nato doing tank-division exercises on the Eastern Polish border isn't a very smart thing to do.

    The Russians are a bit paranoid about large amounts of (German) divisions massing newr their borders... it's not ended well for them a few times...
    Try not to trot up the exaggerated notion of Germany as Russia's eternal bogeyman.
    In fact, Putin has had a cordial relationship with Angela Merkel, regarding her as among
    the Western leaders who's most sympathetic toward him.

    Only an idiot would believe that the Germany today that's the most welcoming country
    in Europe toward Syrian refugees is morally anything like the Germany led by Hitler.

    I also would point out that Germany does *not* have a *long* history of invading Russia.
    Yes, it happened once (1941) and the consequences were terrible for the Soviet people.
    In the First World War, however, Russia mobilized and declared war on Germany first,
    and Russia invaded Germany (East Prussia) before Germany invaded Russia.
    In an earlier era, Bismarck had made a point of aiming for Russia's friendship or at least neutrality.
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    https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/01/why-the-deceitful-medias-russian-election-hacking-narrative-is-misleading-and-dangerous
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    06 Jan '17 03:261 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Try not to trot up the exaggerated notion of Germany as Russia's eternal bogeyman.
    In fact, Putin has had a cordial relationship with Angela Merkel, regarding her as among
    the Western leaders who's most sympathetic toward him.

    Only an idiot would believe that the Germany today that's the most welcoming country
    in Europe toward Syrian refugees is mora ...[text shortened]... earlier era, Bismarck had made a point of aiming for Russia's friendship or at least neutrality.
    Actually, Germany declared war on Russia first in 1914.http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/germandeclarationofwar_russia.htm

    Russian mobilization followed Austria-Hungary's declaration of war against Serbia.http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/firstworldwar/index-1914.html
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    06 Jan '17 06:50
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Although it pains me to agree with half the sentiments here.... Nato doing tank-division exercises on the Eastern Polish border isn't a very smart thing to do.

    The Russians are a bit paranoid about large amounts of (German) divisions massing newr their borders... it's not ended well for them a few times...
    I'm having a heart attack.
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    06 Jan '17 07:29
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Try not to trot up the exaggerated notion of Germany as Russia's eternal bogeyman.
    In fact, Putin has had a cordial relationship with Angela Merkel, regarding her as among
    the Western leaders who's most sympathetic toward him.

    Only an idiot would believe that the Germany today that's the most welcoming country
    in Europe toward Syrian refugees is mora ...[text shortened]... earlier era, Bismarck had made a point of aiming for Russia's friendship or at least neutrality.
    It's not just Germany, it's Europe (and the West) in general. From Napoleon to Thatcher.

    Yes, Russia did declare war on Germany in WWI, but it was the weapons build-up between France, England and Germany which was the underlaying cause (with the obvious eye on maintaining and increasing their empires).
    You could suggest that Russia only declared war Germany, because they knew that Germany was going to declare war on them. Germany had to, because Russia had declared war on Austro-Hungary, because Austro-Hungary had declared war on Serbia... and Germany had a mutual protection pact of sorts of Autro-Hungary.

    During the cold war, Russia was generally reactionary to the West's actions. All of this (and horrendous losses in life) have led to quite a paranoid view of the West's activities.
    And quite rightly so.

    Missile shields and NATO manouvres in Poland are felt as a direct threat in Russia.
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    06 Jan '17 07:44
    Originally posted by kquinn909
    I wouldn't go to the bears house and poke a stick into him.
    Better throw an imbecile with nuclear weapons in the bear pit instead.
  14. Zugzwang
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    06 Jan '17 19:39
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    It's not just Germany, it's Europe (and the West) in general. From Napoleon to Thatcher.

    Yes, Russia did declare war on Germany in WWI, but it was the weapons build-up between France, England and Germany which was the underlaying cause (with the obvious eye on maintaining and increasing their empires).
    You could suggest that Russia only declared war G ...[text shortened]... htly so.

    Missile shields and NATO manouvres in Poland are felt as a direct threat in Russia.
    Earlier I pointed out that the USA violated its promise to Russia (led by Gorbachev) not
    to expand NATO eastward of Germany. I don't hold NATO blameless in the Cold War.

    My general point was that Germany should not be blamed for *starting the First World
    War against Russia* by allegedly aggressively building up its armies near Russia.

    On account of loyalty to its ally Austria-Hungary, Germany declared war on Russia.
    But Germany was far from eager for war against Russia or in any position to invade Russia.
    Germany concentrated its armies in the West, hoping to knock out France (as in the
    war of 1870-71) before enough British forces could arrive. Indeed, France urged
    Russia to invade Germany as soon as possible, hoping to divert German reserves
    east, relieving pressure on France. So the war in the East began with Russia
    invading Germany, as the outnumbered German armies fell back, waiting for an
    opportunity to strike back, which happened at the Battle of Tannenburg.
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