08 Nov 20
Heard someone say this:
“What I predict, is that trump’s lawsuits against the election results will fail. And that he will then resign, making Pence president for 2 months. And in these 2 months Pence will pardon trump, discarding every misdeed the man has done.”
Well, if that doesn’t sour your pudding, I don’t know what will!
08 Nov 20
@shavixmir saidhe can't be pardoned from the charges brought by New York state
Heard someone say this:
“What I predict, is that trump’s lawsuits against the election results will fail. And that he will then resign, making Pence president for 2 months. And in these 2 months Pence will pardon trump, discarding every misdeed the man has done.”
Well, if that doesn’t sour your pudding, I don’t know what will!
08 Nov 20
@shavixmir saidYeah, we've been thinking the same thing, but I doubt it will happen. But this might make Trump seem weak, and we know he'll do anything to avoid that criticism.
Heard someone say this:
“What I predict, is that trump’s lawsuits against the election results will fail. And that he will then resign, making Pence president for 2 months. And in these 2 months Pence will pardon trump, discarding every misdeed the man has done.”
Well, if that doesn’t sour your pudding, I don’t know what will!
08 Nov 20
@lemondrop saidA Presidential pardon is far reaching. The president can also commute sentences, which is what he did for Stone.
he can't be pardoned from the charges brought by New York state
08 Nov 20
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@shavixmir saidWorse than that he will make a statement withdrawing the lawsuits in best interests of America but leave the conspiracy mystery out there to fester in the minds of Republicans. Where is will drive them insane with rage and keep the hate alive.
Heard someone say this:
“What I predict, is that trump’s lawsuits against the election results will fail. And that he will then resign, making Pence president for 2 months. And in these 2 months Pence will pardon trump, discarding every misdeed the man has done.”
Well, if that doesn’t sour your pudding, I don’t know what will!
This will be his final blow, his legacy.
Then he will resign and Pence will absolve him.
09 Nov 20
@kevcvs57 saidAccording to Wikipedia:
Can he be pardoned for things that he hasn’t been charged for until after the transition?
"A pardon is an executive order granting clemency for a conviction. It may be granted "at any time" after the commission of the crime. As per Justice Department regulations, convicted persons may only apply five or more years after their sentence has been completed. However, the President's power to pardon is not restricted by any temporal constraints except that the crime must have been committed. A pardon is an expression of the President's forgiveness and ordinarily is granted in recognition of the applicant's acceptance of responsibility for the crime and established good conduct for a significant period of time after conviction or completion of sentence. It does not signify innocence. Its practical effect is the restoration of civil rights and statutory disabilities (e.g., firearm rights, occupational licensing) associated with a past criminal conviction. In rarer cases, such as the pardon of Richard Nixon, a pardon can also halt criminal proceedings and prevent an indictment."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_pardons_in_the_United_States
09 Nov 20
@lemondrop saidhttps://abalegalfactcheck.com/articles/pardons.html
he can't be pardoned from the charges brought by New York state
09 Nov 20
@suzianne saidYes sounds about right but pence cannot pardon him for a crime that hasn’t gone to trial before the transition ends and I cannot see Biden pardoning him.
According to Wikipedia:
"A pardon is an executive order granting clemency for a conviction. It may be granted "at any time" after the commission of the crime. As per Justice Department regulations, convicted persons may only apply five or more years after their sentence has been completed. However, the President's power to pardon is not restricted by any temporal constraint ...[text shortened]... gs and prevent an indictment."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_pardons_in_the_United_States
Investigations into criminal acts that trump may or may not have committed could drag on for a couple of years.
09 Nov 20
@divegeester saidAbsolve him of what? Has he been charged with anything yet?
Worse than that he will make a statement withdrawing the lawsuits in best interests of America but leave the conspiracy mystery out there to fester in the minds of Republicans. Where is will drive them insane with rage and keep the hate alive.
This will be his final blow, his legacy.
Then he will resign and Pence will absolve him.
I don’t think this dread scenario of him resigning and pence pardoning him really works unless pence can absolve him of any future charges.
I’m not sure the DRC Would want him charged anyway it’s not exactly conducive to Biden’s unite America mantra and he will probably have to negotiate with the GOP in the senate from a lame duck position.
09 Nov 20
@kevcvs57 saidFrom the article Suzianne quoted:
Yes sounds about right but pence cannot pardon him for a crime that hasn’t gone to trial before the transition ends and I cannot see Biden pardoning him.
Investigations into criminal acts that trump may or may not have committed could drag on for a couple of years.
"It may be granted "at any time" after the commission of the crime."
Nixon was pardoned by President Ford before he was actually charged with any crimes. So it can be done though as correctly stated this would apply only to possible federal crimes (which personally I think the Biden administration is unlikely to pursue).
It's hard to see what motivation Pence would have for doing so at this point, however.