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@Suzianne said
Businessmen in government is a clear conflict of interest.
Sue says government is not a business. She does not say what it is


@Suzianne said
I seem to remember a ton of crying in 2021.
Sure, disappointment. Me included. I did not cry. Mott, did you cry? Maybe Sue can dig up a crier?


@AverageJoe1 said
Sue says government is not a business. She does not say what it is
You really don’t have to say someone’s name if you’re quoting their post.

It makes you look like a sociopath.


@shavixmir said
First of all: it is a democracy.
Second of all, you are harping on about the democratic result, when you don’t believe the US is a democracy.

You’re like a flat earther claiming that you’re a global movement.
Mott, are they still really saying we are a democracy.
Like saying ‘It is a cake.” Rather than saying what it is….,it is a chocolate cake.


@shavixmir said
You really don’t have to say someone’s name if you’re quoting their post.

It makes you look like a sociopath.
I quite disagree.


@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
You seriously think DOJ would be independent of Trump if another Barr was AG? But this time with ZERO experience and WAY more obviously spilling out fealty to Trump with every word, THIS is independence?
Tell me SERIOUSLY if you actually think Gaetz will be independent and not listen to Trump about who gets prosecuted and who gets freebies?
Sonhouse thinks that I know the inner workings of Trump, Gaetz and the office of the DOJ.
He also apparently thinks I can predict what people are going to do. I can tell him that I think they will all be quite successful in cleaning up the mess. He will not understand that, because he pretends he does not know there is a mess.


@AverageJoe1 said
I quite disagree.
That’s what a sociopath would say.


@Suzianne said
Businessmen in government is a clear conflict of interest.
Can be. They have to change their mindset.

There have been endless calls to 'run the government like a business.' Turns out that's a bad idea. Government is *NOT* a business.

Liberty and justice for all is not a 'service' that is bought and sold. 😆


@AverageJoe1 said
Sue says government is not a business. She does not say what it is
Government is the organization which protects equally the rights of all citizens, residents, and visitors over a defined geography, usually funded by taxation.


@AverageJoe1 said
Sue says government is not a business. She does not say what it is
Think about it.
If I had said ‘she’ instead of Sue,,,, how would you know who I was talking about in connected posts which would follow.


@spruce112358 said
Government is the organization which protects equally the rights of all citizens, residents, and visitors over a defined geography, usually funded by taxation.
A govt could be considered to run on business principles, but not in business values.
So I have a point after all. This should clarify it all. Really, one can hardly say that there is no business basis in the process of running a government. You have a president, you have a board, etc., etc

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/6/18/running-government-as-a-business


@AverageJoe1 said
A govt could be considered to run on business principles, but not in business values.
So I have a point after all. This should clarify it all. Really, one can hardly say that there is no business basis in the process of running a government. You have a president, you have a board, etc., etc

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/6/18/running-government-as-a-business
Efficient use of tax revenue and avoiding debt is EXACTLY how the US government used to be run. Recall that Congress refused to fund even the pedestal for the Statue of Liberty - a FREE gift! The funds had to be raised privately. That's how seriously government took penny-pinching in those days - which is at odds with modern business philosophy which is pretty free with debt.

From your article: "This is where the private sector mentality — running government like a business — seems to hurt more than it helps. And it’s not a modest flaw. This kind of thinking is fatal.

If you’ve been here with Strong Towns for any amount of time, you know the suggestion that, “the object of a city should be to grow,” is deeply flawed."

Final question: Do churches need to run 'as a business'? Is the purpose of a church to 'grow their market share'? Or do they just need to be wise with their funds? 😆


Our Democracy isn't in danger anymore since the Democrat party got squashed. The will of the people has been affirmed and we are safe for four more years.


@Cliff-Mashburn said
Our Democracy isn't in danger anymore since the Democrat party got squashed. The will of the people has been affirmed and we are safe for four more years.
I hope for your sakes, and the rest of the world’s you’re right but… I am sceptical.🤔


@spruce112358 said
Efficient use of tax revenue and avoiding debt is EXACTLY how the US government used to be run. Recall that Congress refused to fund even the pedestal for the Statue of Liberty - a FREE gift! The funds had to be raised privately. That's how seriously government took penny-pinching in those days - which is at odds with modern business philosophy which is pretty free with ...[text shortened]... rpose of a church to 'grow their market share'? Or do they just need to be wise with their funds? 😆
Wise with funds. So do our families and boards. It would follow that a government as well has got to monitor spending of revenues from taxation.
All givens. Not much to argue, of interest anyway.
Frankly, to say a phrase like run like a business is too general, and I cannot think of another way to approach this subject where the government is now spending too much money, which in normal situations would have run corporation out of business, which gets us full circle, as having a lopsided budget in the government is no different than having a lopsided budget in a corporation.