Outside Intervention in Syria

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Originally posted by normbenign
Again, this is splitting hairs. Dead is dead. In Rwanda 2 million souls were killed by goons with machetes. Are they less dead than people killed with Sarin gas?
Are you suggesting machetes are chemical weapons?

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Are you suggesting machetes are chemical weapons?
I am suggesting that the howling about the type of weapons used is the ultimate hypocrisy. Dead is dead.

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Originally posted by normbenign
I am suggesting that the howling about the type of weapons used is the ultimate hypocrisy. Dead is dead.
Not really, chemical weapons aren't effective against any half-way competent military, they are mostly of use as nuisance weapons forcing an army to wear NBC suits. Non-combatants don't have NBC suits and so they make up the casualties. A rifle only kills the person it's aimed at. So the possession of chemical weapons implies a readiness to inflict civilian casualties that possession of conventional weapons doesn't.

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Is this satire? Getting hard to tell these days:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/08/obama-promises-syria-strike-will-have-no-objective.html?mobify=0

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A good report, probably too long for the knuckle-draggers among you ... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324463604579044642794711158.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet

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Originally posted by whodey
From what I hear, neither will there be in Syria. He will just lob more missiles in strategic areas like he did in Libya.

Of course, this would not be a war, just like it was not in Libya. I'm not sure what word is appropriate to use to describe this sort of action, but it definitely is not a war, therefore, Congress need not be consulted or notified in any way........ever again.
Oh please. Obama just wants to get in there because Syria's upset is costing him oil.

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
How much is appropriate? By who?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/24/us-syria-crisis-hagel-idUSBRE97N01A20130824

(Reuters) - U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel strongly suggested on Friday the United States was positioning naval forces and assets in anticipation of any decision by President Barack Obama to order military action on Syria after apparent chemical weapons use.
I say leave it alone. Nothing good can come from another middle east military operation

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"These past 72-96 hours have been a titanic embarrassment for anyone who cares about U.S. foreign policy. " http://www.belgraviadispatch.com/2013/08/make_it_stop.html

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
"These past 72-96 hours have been a titanic embarrassment for anyone who cares about U.S. foreign policy. " http://www.belgraviadispatch.com/2013/08/make_it_stop.html
Every chess player knows that maintaining the tension is an important strategy.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/31/us-syria-crisis-ships-idUSBRE97U01Z20130831

The USA has moved an amphibious strike force into the area. The Navy can now land Marines in Syria at will.

It's interesting that we're not seeing any of the 10 supercarriers in the eastern Med.

EDIT - Looks like the Eisenhower was there in December at least:

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/145557/17-us-warships-now-off-syria.html

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I wonder where the Charles Du Gaulle is?

That's the French nuclear fleet carrier.

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Every chess player knows that maintaining the tension is an important strategy.
Obama is a better golfer than chess player.

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What is more difficult - positive proof or debunking?

Brown Moses is collecting the evidence that Assad Inc did it as well as debunking opposite claims: http://www.londoncitynights.com/2013/08/eleanor-crook-necroplasty-or-sculpting.html

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/31/us-syria-crisis-ships-idUSBRE97U01Z20130831

The USA has moved an amphibious strike force into the area. The Navy can now land Marines in Syria at will.

It's interesting that we're not seeing any of the 10 supercarriers in the eastern Med.

EDIT - Looks like the Eisenhower was there in December at least:

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/145557/17-us-warships-now-off-syria.html
I read reports today, that the chemical weapons used were sold to Assads military by the British! about a year ago. So that's not good news.

I don't think they need a huge amount of capacity to take on Syria as all we want is stable elections which would be best policed by Syrians anyway - they should demonstrate to Assad he has no military power in this at all, and must manage a change over.

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Here's the article I was referring too. Front of todays Daily Record;

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-2242520