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05 Jul 10
05 Jul 10
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Was there? I know the IRA was officially Catholic, but oftentimes these ethnic violent organizations go back to their pagan roots to some extent - Nazi mysticism, Santa Muerte, etc.
Were there any Wicker Men burned with people inside or Gaelic headhunters among the IRA? Any supplications to the Faerie?
05 Jul 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI'm sure Maude will be along to correct me if I am mistaken, but no. More interestingly, perhaps, is the fact that many of the Republican factions cleaved to more or less orthodox hard-left/Marxist ideologies, and many of the schisms and splits in the Republican movement were as much to do with ideological differences as with differences of opinion on paramilitary strategy and tactics. I say 'more interestingly' as it seems peculiar, unless one takes in to account widespread political myopia bordering on ignorance, that so much material and ideological support for hard-left, nationalist Catholic paramilitary groups came from that bastion of socialist orthodoxy, the USA...
Was there? I know the IRA was officially Catholic, but oftentimes these ethnic violent organizations go back to their pagan roots to some extent - Nazi mysticism, Santa Muerte, etc.
Were there any Wicker Men burned with people inside or Gaelic headhunters among the IRA? Any supplications to the Faerie?
05 Jul 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThe IRA was not "officially Catholic". I have no idea what every member did as far as "religious" practices but I have never heard of any thing like the examples you refer to being part of any IRA meetings.
Was there? I know the IRA was officially Catholic, but oftentimes these ethnic violent organizations go back to their pagan roots to some extent - Nazi mysticism, Santa Muerte, etc.
Were there any Wicker Men burned with people inside or Gaelic headhunters among the IRA? Any supplications to the Faerie?
05 Jul 10
Originally posted by DrKF(Shrug) Many Irish-Americans supported the idea that all of Ireland should be free from British oppression. Therefore, many supported organizations that were actively resisting British occupation. Of course, that's a shock to Brits, but not to anyone else.
I'm sure Maude will be along to correct me if I am mistaken, but no. More interestingly, perhaps, is the fact that many of the Republican factions cleaved to more or less orthodox hard-left/Marxist ideologies, and many of the schisms and splits in the Republican movement were as much to do with ideological differences as with differences of opinion on paramilit ...[text shortened]... nalist Catholic paramilitary groups came from that bastion of socialist orthodoxy, the USA...
05 Jul 10
Originally posted by no1marauderI wonder how many of those Irish-Americans knew the political programme, beyond resisting occupation, of many of the Republican groups they supported is all. Maybe they all did, and didn't care - were happy to be what we used to call 'fellow travellers'.
(Shrug) Many Irish-Americans supported the idea that all of Ireland should be free from British oppression. Therefore, many supported organizations that were actively resisting British occupation. Of course, that's a shock to Brits, but not to anyone else.
Again with the blithely speaking on other peoples' behalf, though: I reckon maybe it would come as something of a shock to plenty of non-Brits to discover those Irish-Americans were funding committed (if by definition unorthodox) Marxists.
Just started re-reading Brendan Anderson's Joe Cahill: A Life in the IRA. Worth your while, if you haven't already read it.
05 Jul 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWell, it's a stereotype with a lot of truth to it. Still the IRA was not officially Catholic and a number of its early leaders ( think Easter Rising 1916) were Protestant or even atheist.
The stereotype is that the Ireland Troubles were split along Catholic/Protestant lines. No?
05 Jul 10
Originally posted by DrKF😴😴
I wonder how many of those Irish-Americans knew the political programme, beyond resisting occupation, of many of the Republican groups they supported is all. Maybe they all did, and didn't care - were happy to be what we used to call 'fellow travellers'.
Again with the blithely speaking on other peoples' behalf, though: I reckon maybe it would come as someth ...[text shortened]... 's Joe Cahill: A Life in the IRA. Worth your while, if you haven't already read it.
07 Jul 10
Originally posted by DrKFThe Santa Muerte worshippers are usually also Catholics...Mexican Catholicism is almost polytheism. They're also really into "Social Justice" - it's called "Catholic Social Teaching". It's Catholic Marxism. All these things can and do melt together. Catholic Polytheistic Marxism. Most of us know that Christmas was pagan originally...all kinds of pagan influences are all through the Catholic religion, but always subordinate to YHWH.
I'm sure Maude will be along to correct me if I am mistaken, but no. More interestingly, perhaps, is the fact that many of the Republican factions cleaved to more or less orthodox hard-left/Marxist ideologies, and many of the schisms and splits in the Republican movement were as much to do with ideological differences as with differences of opinion on paramilit ...[text shortened]... nalist Catholic paramilitary groups came from that bastion of socialist orthodoxy, the USA...
I know St. Brigid is really a pagan goddess in disguise for example, and many Irish still believe in faeries I understand. I don't actually know this but this is what I read, and I know enough New Agers here in Los Angeles believe in those creepy little things.
07 Jul 10
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Hey, neeto, Christmas was actually the birthday of Mithras, the Sun Bull of War! Reminds me of Huitzilopotchlti, and pyramids, and pharoahs...
Maybe you guys now understand why I chose a Lovecraftian handle. 😕
EDIT - And the Feast of the Son of Isis...that's where the presents come from looks like...
The Christmas Carols come from Roman worship of Saturn...
I also read somewhere that the Trinity is from Irish paganism, 3 lobes of the clover, the bell/book/candle, Staff/Sword/Grail, etc.
http://www.essortment.com/all/christmaspagan_rece.htm