Originally posted by Rajk999
Who said anything about Gods chosen people?
Who said anything about God-given right to Palestine?
The British gave Palestine to the Jews.
What does God have to do with that?
The US helped Israel to develop etc
What does God have to do with that?
I knew the God's chosen people excuse would come out.
Many Israelis believe they are god's chosen people, right? Isn't that the excuse many of them use?
Now you say the British gave Palestine to the Jews? Didn't you say the British didn't give the Jews land before? Did you change your view since I enlightened you with a history lesson? If so, I'm glad you read the link I provided.
Another part of history mentioned in that link is that the "Arabs were angered by Britain's failure to fulfill its promise to create an independent Arab state." You see, the Arabs have a sense of entitlement too. The British reneged on their agreement. Now both Jews and Palestinians have a sense of entitlement. That seems to be the root of the problem.
Yes, the USA helped Israel develop. Isn't Israel done developing yet? Why is my government still sending 3 billion dollars per year to Israel? More importantly, why does Israel feel they need it? We have already agreed that the Jewish people are hardworking and successful peoples who are talented. They are doing quite well now in Israel, so why do they need more money? Can't these hardworking and successful people take care of themselves?
My country is over 15 trillion dollars in debt. When is Israel going to help us pay this debt off? Do they have any intention of returning the favor or is this just another sense of entitlement the Israelis have? My children will have to work very hard to pay the interest on this debt when they become adults, and their unborn children (assuming they have any) will have to as well. Perhaps they will not be able to afford having children, who knows the way this debt keeps piling up.
Economic slavery is nothing new. It was written in the bible long ago, only it was called bondage back then. Here is an excerpt from Genesis chapter 14:
Joseph and the Famine
13There was no food, however, in the whole region because the famine was severe; both Egypt and Canaan wasted away because of the famine. 14Joseph collected all the money that was to be found in Egypt and Canaan in payment for the grain they were buying, and he brought it to Pharaoh’s palace. 15When the money of the people of Egypt and Canaan was gone, all Egypt came to Joseph and said, “Give us food. Why should we die before your eyes? Our money is used up.”
16“Then bring your livestock,” said Joseph. “I will sell you food in exchange for your livestock, since your money is gone.” 17So they brought their livestock to Joseph, and he gave them food in exchange for their horses, their sheep and goats, their cattle and donkeys. And he brought them through that year with food in exchange for all their livestock.
18When that year was over, they came to him the following year and said, “We cannot hide from our lord the fact that since our money is gone and our livestock belongs to you, there is nothing left for our lord except our bodies and our land. 19Why should we perish before your eyes—we and our land as well? Buy us and our land in exchange for food, and we with our land will be in bondage to Pharaoh. Give us seed so that we may live and not die, and that the land may not become desolate.”
20So Joseph bought all the land in Egypt for Pharaoh. The Egyptians, one and all, sold their fields, because the famine was too severe for them. The land became Pharaoh’s, 21and Joseph reduced the people to servitude,c from one end of Egypt to the other. 22However, he did not buy the land of the priests, because they received a regular allotment from Pharaoh and had food enough from the allotment Pharaoh gave them. That is why they did not sell their land.
23Joseph said to the people, “Now that I have bought you and your land today for Pharaoh, here is seed for you so you can plant the ground. 24But when the crop comes in, give a fifth of it to Pharaoh. The other four-fifths you may keep as seed for the fields and as food for yourselves and your households and your children.”
25“You have saved our lives,” they said. “May we find favor in the eyes of our lord; we will be in bondage to Pharaoh.”
26So Joseph established it as a law concerning land in Egypt—still in force today—that a fifth of the produce belongs to Pharaoh. It was only the land of the priests that did not become Pharaoh’s.
27Now the Israelites settled in Egypt in the region of Goshen. They acquired property there and were fruitful and increased greatly in number.