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Originally posted by reinfeld
..i just used the word as put in the title of the thread and i am just an old man who is making a comment on a forum site...i am not teaching a class or defending a thesis...panarhism is the word the thread starter used and i am just loosely making a generalized but not untrue translation...
You added an "an". It's either the rule (-archy) of all (pan-), or it's the anarchy of p.

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The original essay (or rather an English translation) can be found here

http://www.panarchy.org/depuydt/1860.eng.html

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...and you added several years to my life...i only have a few left..thank you..

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Originally posted by reinfeld
...and you added several years to my life...i only have a few left..thank you..
You're welcome. 😉

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Then the most popular and aggressive government will knock out the rest and take over. And you're back to where we are now.
Why would the most popular government be the most aggressive one? If everyone wanted to join the same government, then what would be the problem? But experience has shown that's not likely to happen.

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in the early stages of many governments that are popular you can find very aggressive ones..ask robispierrre (did not spell that right..so hit me ) or pol pot or mr. adolph...all pretty popular at the start yet pretty aggressive characters..

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Originally posted by rwingett
Why would the most popular government be the most aggressive one? If everyone wanted to join the same government, then what would be the problem? But experience has shown that's not likely to happen.
It only has to happen once.

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I have difficulty seeing a difference between panarchy and anarchy, but I grew up in an era when "anarchist" equated with "terrorist" and "bogeyman".

Can anyone define anarchy for me in layman's terms?

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Originally posted by rwingett
This is a term coined in 1860 by Belgian economist Paul Emile de Puydt. Basically what it means is that citizens get to choose what government they will live under and that all the various possible types of government have to compete for citizens. This would require the end of territorially based governments and usher in an era of extra-territorial ones. In ...[text shortened]...
Sounds good to me.

moderators: could you move this to debates? I put it in the wrong forum.
People get the type of government they want all the time: they vote with their feet.

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Originally posted by rwingett
This is a term coined in 1860 by Belgian economist Paul Emile de Puydt. Basically what it means is that citizens get to choose what government they will live under and that all the various possible types of government have to compete for citizens. This would require the end of territorially based governments and usher in an era of extra-territorial ones. In ...[text shortened]...
Sounds good to me.

moderators: could you move this to debates? I put it in the wrong forum.
So you could vote to be king? 🙂
Kelly

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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
People get the type of government they want all the time: they vote with their feet.
Admittedly, it makes depositing papers in a ballot box more awkward...

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Originally posted by rwingett
This is a term coined in 1860 by Belgian economist Paul Emile de Puydt. Basically what it means is that citizens get to choose what government they will live under and that all the various possible types of government have to compete for citizens. This would require the end of territorially based governments and usher in an era of extra-territorial ones. In ...[text shortened]...
Sounds good to me.

moderators: could you move this to debates? I put it in the wrong forum.
First, panarchism is an idea that will only ever recommend itself to enlightened, articulate, imaginative, and abstractly-minded people who do not strongly identify with historical clans, countries, nations, territories, or religions. That's only a fraction of the population nearly everywhere, except perhaps somewhere like Sweden.

Second, there is no incentive for any current incumbent government to implement panarchism, as it would be too big a political risk.

Third, and relatedly, panarchy requires some "archy" to enforce it, which is inherently vulnerable to some less permissive "archy" the panarchy might give rise to.

So, for all these reasons, despite the genuine ethical and esthetic attractions of panarchy, it's a non-starter in reality.

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..i see a very close connection between the "enlightened" and the inability to live in reality...

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Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
First, panarchism is an idea that will only ever recommend itself to enlightened, articulate, imaginative, and abstractly-minded people who do not strongly identify with historical clans, countries, nations, territories, or religions. That's only a fraction of the population nearly everywhere, except perhaps somewhere like Sweden.

Second, there is no ...[text shortened]... e the genuine ethical and esthetic attractions of panarchy, it's a non-starter in reality.
"We are the music makers, We are the dreamers of dreams"

-Arthur O'Shaughnessy


So join the long line of people who can only see problems instead of possibilities. Instead of giving us an endless litany of reasons why it would never work, why don't you give us a little input as to what might make it work better? Perhaps you need to exercise your idealism a little more and your cynicism a little less.

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Originally posted by MissOleum
I have difficulty seeing a difference between panarchy and anarchy, but I grew up in an era when "anarchist" equated with "terrorist" and "bogeyman".

Can anyone define anarchy for me in layman's terms?
Anarchism literally means to be without rulers. From the Greek archos=ruler. Anarchos=having no ruler.

My dictionary defines anarchism as: a political theory holding all forms of government authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups.