@metal-brain saidPrior to COVID, vaccines were required for oversees travel. My wife had to show papers when she went to Amsterdam from the U.S. Same if you went to Africa, South America, etc.
Don't want to take the new experimental vaccine?
Good luck flying – or getting a job, or government benefits
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/507706-iata-vaccine-passport-mandate/
It will be an illusion of choice. If we don't take the vaccine we will have no freedom.
Likewise for certain types of employment; to be a school teacher you needed to provide inoculation records. Nothing has really changed other than COVID being added to the list.
Besides, this probably won't take effect for a while, at least not in the U.S., thanks to Trump turning down the option to purchase 100 million vaccines. So Trump may end up being the reason why many Americans end up blocked by countries refusing to let them travel there.
13 Dec 20
@cheesemaster saidWhy are you being levelheaded all of a sudden?
For flying yes I can see that.
For other stuff? No I don't see that happening.
The first wave of vaccinations are happening right now right?
So we will see a rapid decline in cases.
13 Dec 20
@vivify said"thanks to Trump turning down the option to purchase 100 million vaccines."
Prior to COVID, vaccines were required for oversees travel. My wife had to show papers when she went to Amsterdam from the U.S. Same if you went to Africa, South America, etc.
Likewise for certain types of employment; to be a school teacher you needed to provide inoculation records. Nothing has really changed other than COVID being added to the list.
Besides, this pro ...[text shortened]... p being the reason why many Americans end up blocked by countries refusing to let them travel there.
I think you are misinformed.
13 Dec 20
@vivify saidIt is more than just flying. If that was all it was I would not care since I don't fly. What if I can't get a job without taking a vaccine?
Prior to COVID, vaccines were required for oversees travel. My wife had to show papers when she went to Amsterdam from the U.S. Same if you went to Africa, South America, etc.
Likewise for certain types of employment; to be a school teacher you needed to provide inoculation records. Nothing has really changed other than COVID being added to the list.
Besides, this pro ...[text shortened]... p being the reason why many Americans end up blocked by countries refusing to let them travel there.
They don't even know if the vaccine will give people immunity. If not, there will be no herd immunity until everyone gets the virus.
13 Dec 20
@metal-brain saidhttps://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/trump-administration-passed-chance-lock-more-pfizer-vaccine-doses-n1250357
"thanks to Trump turning down the option to purchase 100 million vaccines."
I think you are misinformed.
"But this summer, the White House opted not to lock in an additional 100 million doses for delivery in the second quarter of 2021".
@metal-brain saidIt's an op-ed piece by Helen Buyniski, who clearly is obsessed with individual liberty. I base my assessment on a piece she wrote about the lockdown process imposed on my home state of Victoria, Australia, by a Premier following health advisers' recommendations.
Don't want to take the new experimental vaccine?
Good luck flying – or getting a job, or government benefits
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/507706-iata-vaccine-passport-mandate/
It will be an illusion of choice. If we don't take the vaccine we will have no freedom.
The lockdown worked, people stopped dying from covid and our hospitals are back to functioning normally with elective surgery capacity.
Australians stick together. We willingly surrendered our personal freedoms for 100 days, so that now we have our freedom to live our lives without Covid restrictions. The few idiots who got fines were repeat offenders who deliberately provoked the authorities, spouting off about personal freedoms as if they were little Americans.
Alan Joyce (he's an Irishman by the way) may not want anyone with a contagious, potentially severe disease crammed into a space where he and Qantas have a duty of care to all their passengers. To me, that's a perfectly reasonable businessman's approach.
Op-ed journalists write provocative stuff to get reactions from their audiences. It's speculation, that's all.
13 Dec 20
@vivify saidAs if they cannot make more. Pfizer is playing games.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/trump-administration-passed-chance-lock-more-pfizer-vaccine-doses-n1250357
"But this summer, the White House opted not to lock in an additional 100 million doses for delivery in the second quarter of 2021".
@Metal-Brain
You are as usual as full of shyte as a Christmas turkey.
You are waving a variation of 'I want my freedom, I will NOT wear that damned mask' so now it morphs into 'I want my freedom, I will NOT get that damned vaccine' even though it might save my worthless life.
@Metal-Brain
Your god king Trump is the one playing games. It is HE who nixed the idea to buy more than 100 million doses, which is good only for FIFTY million people.
He ONLY thinks about money and spent 1.7 billion but refused to buy more which Pfizer offered so now we suck hind tit because of Trump.
Way to go POS POTUS.
13 Dec 20
@kewpie saidNot speculation.
It's an op-ed piece by Helen Buyniski, who clearly is obsessed with individual liberty. I base my assessment on a piece she wrote about the lockdown process imposed on my home state of Victoria, Australia, by a Premier following health advisers' recommendations.
The lockdown worked, people stopped dying from covid and our hospitals are back to functioning normally with elect ...[text shortened]... alists write provocative stuff to get reactions from their audiences. It's speculation, that's all.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/02/health/covid-19-vaccination-kit-record-card/index.html
13 Dec 20
@metal-brain saidTrump turns down vaccines and Pfizer is the one playing games? How?
As if they cannot make more. Pfizer is playing games.