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  1. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    29 Aug '13 17:49
    I'm fully aware that Russia has selfish interests in keeping the Assad government in place. Russia is making lots of money selling arms in the region, but Putin makes a valid point. There is no guarantee the rebels fighting the Assad government will turn out to be any better than the present government, especially since the rebels have at least some ties to terrorist organizations. Despite all the war hawk republicans (i.e. John McCain) screaming for war, perhaps this is not a time for military action by the USA.
  2. 29 Aug '13 17:51
    I have to agree with Putin here, it looks like the Russians have it right and Obama has it wrong.

    Hopefully Putin can prevent Obama from putting AQ in control of the Middle East.
  3. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    29 Aug '13 20:08
    Originally posted by bill718
    I'm fully aware that Russia has selfish interests in keeping the Assad government in place. Russia is making lots of money selling arms in the region, but Putin makes a valid point. There is no guarantee the rebels fighting the Assad government will turn out to be any better than the present government, especially since the rebels have at least some ties to ...[text shortened]... e. John McCain) screaming for war, perhaps this is not a time for military action by the USA.
    Nobody's gassed the Kurds since the USA captured Saddam.
  4. 29 Aug '13 20:17
    Originally posted by bill718
    I'm fully aware that Russia has selfish interests in keeping the Assad government in place. Russia is making lots of money selling arms in the region, but Putin makes a valid point. There is no guarantee the rebels fighting the Assad government will turn out to be any better than the present government, especially since the rebels have at least some ties to ...[text shortened]... e. John McCain) screaming for war, perhaps this is not a time for military action by the USA.
    The hell you say.
  5. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    29 Aug '13 22:06
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Nobody's gassed the Kurds since the USA captured Saddam.
    REALITY CHECK*** America does not have the resources to police the globe!
  6. 29 Aug '13 22:49
    Originally posted by bill718
    I'm fully aware that Russia has selfish interests in keeping the Assad government in place. Russia is making lots of money selling arms in the region, but Putin makes a valid point. There is no guarantee the rebels fighting the Assad government will turn out to be any better than the present government, especially since the rebels have at least some ties to ...[text shortened]... e. John McCain) screaming for war, perhaps this is not a time for military action by the USA.
    "Russia is making lots of money selling arms in the region."
    --Bill718

    I suspect that Russia sells or transfers less (in terms of money) arms
    than the United States does (particularly to Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia)
    in the Middle East. If Russia's only interest were money, then the West
    could attempt to bribe Putin to allow the West to overthrow Assad.
  7. 30 Aug '13 14:10
    Originally posted by bill718
    I'm fully aware that Russia has selfish interests in keeping the Assad government in place. Russia is making lots of money selling arms in the region, but Putin makes a valid point. There is no guarantee the rebels fighting the Assad government will turn out to be any better than the present government, especially since the rebels have at least some ties to ...[text shortened]... e. John McCain) screaming for war, perhaps this is not a time for military action by the USA.
    Perhaps Russia is backing out of the NWO agenda and drawing a line in the sand. Or perhaps Russia is still being played as we are to have conflict to benefit the military industrial complex and the world banksters. Why else do we have interest in that country?
  8. 31 Aug '13 22:29 / 5 edits
    Originally posted by bill718
    REALITY CHECK*** America does not have the resources to police the globe!
    The Syria strike will be a relatively small expense even less than the cost of supporting the Libya rebellion. Orders of magnitude less and no comparison to costs of Iran and Afghanistan wars.

    Arguably a US national security interest here. Hopefully, we are smart and effective with our intervention. The French are really involved and have good insight. The Israeli and Jordanian (and even Lebanese) on-the-ground intelligence is awesome.

    By the way, there is a secular and democratic faction of the Syrian rebels. They make up about 40% of the rebels, and that is who the West is supplying with resources and arms. Al Queida and associated losers make up the remaining (about 60% of the) rebels.

    Putin is a hack. Russia's financial gains/interests with Syria and desired influence go well beyond the money they make off of selling arms to Syria.
  9. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    31 Aug '13 22:33
    Al Qaeda is bringing in outsiders and playing games of intrigue. They're letting the Free Syrian Army (who are pretty much all native Syrians) do the fighting and then trying to annex territory at the expense of the FSA. They're also trying to compete with the West to be the support system for the front line fighters. If the West doesn't help out, AQ will be the alternative. The Free Syrians would prefer the West but they'll take what they can get.
  10. 31 Aug '13 22:38 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Al Qaeda is bringing in outsiders and playing games of intrigue. They're letting the Free Syrian Army (who are pretty much all native Syrians) do the fighting and then trying to annex territory at the expense of the FSA. They're also trying to compete with the West to be the support system for the front line fighters. If the West doesn't help out, ...[text shortened]... the alternative. The Free Syrians would prefer the West but they'll take what they can get.
    Yeah, if the situation ever destabilizes even more and becomes more of a vacuum, AQ will definitely assert themselves with a vengeance. They are already setting up a security apparatus to maintain control and order in the space they occupy.

    An interesting but unlikely scenario would be an alliance of the FSA and defectors from the Syrian army.

    The biggest impediments to a free, quasi-secular, and democratic Syria are Assad, AQ, and Syrian religious fundamentalists (many who hate Assad).
  11. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    31 Aug '13 22:46
    Originally posted by moon1969
    Yeah, if the situation ever destabilizes even more and becomes more of a vacuum, AQ will definitely assert themselves with a vengeance. They are already setting up a security apparatus to maintain control and order in the space they occupy.

    An interesting but unlikely scenario would be an alliance of the FSA and defectors from the Syrian army.

    The b ...[text shortened]... and democratic Syria are Assad, AQ, and Syrian religious fundamentalists (many who hate Assad).
    The FSA is full of defectors from the Syrian army.
  12. 02 Sep '13 08:55
    Originally posted by bill718
    I'm fully aware that Russia has selfish interests in keeping the Assad government in place. Russia is making lots of money selling arms in the region, but Putin makes a valid point. There is no guarantee the rebels fighting the Assad government will turn out to be any better than the present government, especially since the rebels have at least some ties to ...[text shortened]... e. John McCain) screaming for war, perhaps this is not a time for military action by the USA.
    war is justified whenever a government uses chemical or bio weapons against its citizens.

    other countries must send a clear message that such atrocities will not be ignored.
  13. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    02 Sep '13 10:03
    No effort should be spared to protect the material interests of adorable families such as this: https://twitter.com/omarsyria/status/374464970412421120/photo/1
  14. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    02 Sep '13 10:04
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    The FSA is full of defectors from the Syrian army.
    An example:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB_43l9Hb6c&feature=youtu.be
  15. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    02 Sep '13 10:05
    Not sure what's with the yellow shirts ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aGqUFTgV0U&feature=youtube_gdata_player