27 May 21
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/05/25/the-fda-cover-up-that-led-to-the-approval-of-the-pfizer-vaccine/
"Here we go.
The document, posted on the FDA website, is titled, “Vaccines and Related Biological Products; Advisory Committee Meeting; FDA Briefing Document Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.” [1]
It is dated December 10, 2020. The date tells us that all the information in the document is taken from the Pfizer clinical trial, based on which the FDA authorized the vaccine for public use.
A key quote is buried on page 42: “Among 3410 total cases of suspected but unconfirmed COVID-19 in the overall study population, 1594 occurred in the vaccine group vs. 1816 in the placebo group [who received a saltwater shot].”
Those shocking numbers have never seen the light of day in news media.
The comparative numbers reveal that the vaccine was not effective at preventing COVID-19. It was certainly not 50% more effective than no vaccine at all—the standard for FDA Emergency Use Authorization."
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download
@Metal-Brain
As I understand it, the vaccines do not prevent you from getting infected.
They prevent you from getting sick. They keep you out of the hospital.
Which also explains why it is still recommended that you wear a mask after you have been vaccinated.
So you don't pass the virus on to someone else who hasn't been vaccinated.
29 May 21
@mghrn55 saidYes, that is my understanding of it too.
@Metal-Brain
As I understand it, the vaccines do not prevent you from getting infected.
They prevent you from getting sick. They keep you out of the hospital.
Which also explains why it is still recommended that you wear a mask after you have been vaccinated.
So you don't pass the virus on to someone else who hasn't been vaccinated.
I think we will be a long time having to wear masks around people not in our little bubble.
-VR
29 May 21
@metal-brain said"For participants without evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection prior to 7 days after Dose 2, VE against confirmed COVID-19 occurring at least 7 days after Dose 2 was 95.0%. The case split was 8 COVID-19 cases in the BNT162b2 group compared to 162 COVID-19 cases in the placebo group (Table 6)".
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/05/25/the-fda-cover-up-that-led-to-the-approval-of-the-pfizer-vaccine/
"Here we go.
The document, posted on the FDA website, is titled, “Vaccines and Related Biological Products; Advisory Committee Meeting; FDA Briefing Document Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.” [1]
It is dated December 10, 2020. The date tells us that all th ...[text shortened]... all—the standard for FDA Emergency Use Authorization."
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download p. 24
So people without the two shot Pfizer vaccine regimen were about 20 times more likely to have a confirmed case of COVID19 than those who did.
29 May 21
@mghrn55 saidYeah? here is my definitive word on masks...
@Metal-Brain
As I understand it, the vaccines do not prevent you from getting infected.
They prevent you from getting sick. They keep you out of the hospital.
Which also explains why it is still recommended that you wear a mask after you have been vaccinated.
So you don't pass the virus on to someone else who hasn't been vaccinated.
When I was doing recovery in rehab in a nursing home where *everyone* wore masks,
I till got COVID. Masks SUCK
@no1marauder saidSo now we come to the vital weasel-phrase in the FDA document I just quoted: “suspected but unconfirmed COVID-19 [cases].”
"For participants without evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection prior to 7 days after Dose 2, VE against confirmed COVID-19 occurring at least 7 days after Dose 2 was 95.0%. The case split was 8 COVID-19 cases in the BNT162b2 group compared to 162 COVID-19 cases in the placebo group (Table 6)".
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download p. 24
So people without the two ...[text shortened]... cine regimen were about 20 times more likely to have a confirmed case of COVID19 than those who did.
“Well, you see, we can’t say these were ACTUAL COVID-19 cases. Maybe they were, maybe they weren’t. They’re in limbo. We want to keep them in limbo. Otherwise, our clinical trial is dead in the water, and we’ll never get approval for the vaccine.”
What does “suspected cases” mean? It can only mean these people all displayed symptoms consistent with the definition of COVID-19, but they’re unconfirmed cases because…their PCR tests were negative, not positive.
However, if their tests were negative, why would they be called “suspected cases” instead of “NOT CASES”?
Something is wrong here. The FDA is hedging its bets, muddying the waters, obscuring facts.
By FDA/CDC rules, a case of COVID-19 means: a person has tested positive, period.
That’s the way cases are counted.
These several thousand volunteers in the Pfizer clinical trial were either COVID-19 cases or they weren’t. Which is it?
The official response to that question is obvious: the FDA decided to throw the data from all those suspected cases in the garbage and ignore them. Poof. Gone.
Why do I say that?
Because if the FDA had paid serious attention to the several thousand “suspected cases,” they never would have authorized the vaccine for public use. They would have stopped the clinical trial and undertaken a very deep and extensive investigation.
Which they didn’t.
08 Jun 21
@metal-brain saidSigh.
So now we come to the vital weasel-phrase in the FDA document I just quoted: “suspected but unconfirmed COVID-19 [cases].”
“Well, you see, we can’t say these were ACTUAL COVID-19 cases. Maybe they were, maybe they weren’t. They’re in limbo. We want to keep them in limbo. Otherwise, our clinical trial is dead in the water, and we’ll never get approval for the vaccine.” ...[text shortened]... ped the clinical trial and undertaken a very deep and extensive investigation.
Which they didn’t.
Jesus H. Christ.
You should be banned from reading or something. Or, if you do, you should be forced to get the full picture, before grabbing on to one point, running with it and not comprehending context.
Never in my life have I had the misfortune to continually hear one person cling to straws to the extent that you do.
Example:
“Hitler was a great man, he invented motorways and jet engines.”
Maybe you didn’t say that, but it’s along the same lines. No context, factually not true and only a small part of the entire story.
What does a vaccine do?
It helps the body to react swiftly to stop you getting ill. It does not stop you from catching the disease.
If enough people are vaccinated, the disease becomes very short lived (it being killed off in each individual body much faster than it normally would), so the chances of it spreading becomes smaller and smaller. Then you reach herd immunity.
Here. This will explain it to you in very simple terms:
https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/how-do-vaccines-work?gclid=Cj0KCQjwh_eFBhDZARIsALHjIKcIYKObQfGG6mLjWz7_T74UfcpCKm02q8PHkGwR5vIEB0VhS-d8PyoaAvNwEALw_wcB
08 Jun 21
@shavixmir saidYou should be banned from reading or something. Or, if you do, you should be forced to get the full picture, before grabbing on to one point, running with it and not comprehending context.
Sigh.
Jesus H. Christ.
You should be banned from reading or something. Or, if you do, you should be forced to get the full picture, before grabbing on to one point, running with it and not comprehending context.
Never in my life have I had the misfortune to continually hear one person cling to straws to the extent that you do.
Example:
“Hitler was a great man, ...[text shortened]... k?gclid=Cj0KCQjwh_eFBhDZARIsALHjIKcIYKObQfGG6mLjWz7_T74UfcpCKm02q8PHkGwR5vIEB0VhS-d8PyoaAvNwEALw_wcB
This thread is NOT about how vaccines work, it is about the numbers and how they are manipulated to mislead fools like you. Apparently they are doing a good job of it since you seem incapable of comprehending the subject of this thread in favor of ridiculous digression into different subjects.
This is about the data. DUH!
12 Jun 21
@metal-brain saidAre hospital numbers and deaths dropping?
You should be banned from reading or something. Or, if you do, you should be forced to get the full picture, before grabbing on to one point, running with it and not comprehending context.
This thread is NOT about how vaccines work, it is about the numbers and how they are manipulated to mislead fools like you. Apparently they are doing a good job of it since you seem ...[text shortened]... is thread in favor of ridiculous digression into different subjects.
This is about the data. DUH!
The vaccines are working.
12 Jun 21
@shavixmir saidNot by much, the the way hospitalizations and death rates are counted have changed. Try reading. You can read, right?
Are hospital numbers and deaths dropping?
The vaccines are working.