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  1. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    04 Mar '19 09:08
    @joe-shmo said
    How does a tax solve the plastic problem? If it isn't such a ridiculously large percentage as to curb usage, then how does it solve the problem? Or is your goal to impose such a large tax?
    If you cannot fathom how taxing something undesirable
    is beneficial you need to go back to school. It is akin to
    pricing something out of the market.

    Now for a world problem that means all, or most, countries
    acting together. If all countries taxed plastics you would soon
    see a change.

    In NZ there is an entrepreneur who has devised a way of turning
    "snot rock" (a fresh-water pest) into a bio-degradeable plastic
    substitute. Should not we encourage that?
  2. SubscriberWajoma
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    04 Mar '19 11:14
    @wolfgang59 said
    If you cannot fathom how taxing something undesirable
    is beneficial you need to go back to school. It is akin to
    pricing something out of the market.

    Now for a world problem that means all, or most, countries
    acting together. If all countries taxed plastics you would soon
    see a change.

    In NZ there is an entrepreneur who has devised a way of turning
    "snot rock" (a fresh-water pest) into a bio-degradeable plastic
    substitute. Should not we encourage that?
    That's why they tax people for doing good things, to discourage them.

    Wolfgang logic 🙄
  3. Subscriberjoe shmo
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    04 Mar '19 17:135 edits
    @wolfgang59 said
    If you cannot fathom how taxing something undesirable
    is beneficial you need to go back to school. It is akin to
    pricing something out of the market.

    Now for a world problem that means all, or most, countries
    acting together. If all countries taxed plastics you would soon
    see a change.

    In NZ there is an entrepreneur who has devised a way of turning
    "snot rock" (a fresh-water pest) into a bio-degradeable plastic
    substitute. Should not we encourage that?
    Plastic is one of the greatest advances in material tech the world has ever seen. Its positive benefits for humanity are so far reaching one would have to be an absolute lunatic to propose taxing it out of existence (enter wolfgang59 - stage leftist).

    Its disposal simply needs better regulation throughout 3rd world countries, and 1st world countries ( like the UK ) who export plastic trash to the 3rd world. An American tax on plastic will solve nothing, the damage is being done elsewhere.

    In NZ there is an entrepreneur who has devised a way of turning
    "snot rock" (a fresh-water pest) into a bio-degradeable plastic
    substitute. Should not we encourage that?

    Encourage? For certain applications, sure. Demand? Absolutely not.
  4. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    04 Mar '19 21:07
    @wajoma said
    That's why they tax people for doing good things, to discourage them.

    Wolfgang logic 🙄
    I never said that.

    wajoma lies.
  5. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    04 Mar '19 21:10
    @joe-shmo said
    Plastic is one of the greatest advances in material tech the world has ever seen. Its positive benefits for humanity are so far reaching one would have to be an absolute lunatic to propose taxing it out of existence (enter wolfgang59 - stage leftist).
    Tax out of existence?
    Don't put words in my mouth.

    A tax on plastic could;
    1. Encourage minimalising use.
    2. Encourage use of other materiels.
    3. Encourage investment in alternatives.
    4. Fund clean-up and disposal programs.

    Where the benefits of plastic outweigh the TOTAL cost they would still be used.
  6. Subscriberjoe shmo
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    @wolfgang59 said
    Tax out of existence?
    Don't put words in my mouth.

    A tax on plastic could;
    1. Encourage minimalising use.
    2. Encourage use of other materiels.
    3. Encourage investment in alternatives.
    4. Fund clean-up and disposal programs.

    Where the benefits of plastic outweigh the TOTAL cost they would still be used.
    Tax out of existence?
    Don't put words in my mouth.

    Your words:

    "It is akin to
    pricing something out of the market."

    Feel free to expand on what you "believe" the meaning of "pricing something out of the market" is?

    Here is my take. Consumer products exist in the market. If they are priced out of the market, they no longer exist as consumer products.
    If you meant something different, you conveyed it poorly.
  7. SubscriberWajoma
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    @wolfgang59 said
    I never said that.

    wajoma lies.
    This is the only good thing about sin taxes, control freaks are confronted head on with this contradiction, the spot light is on so clear and bright it sears the retinas c o n t r a d i c t i o n.

    If you tax something bad to reduce it's occurrence then why tax good things.
  8. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    04 Mar '19 23:21
    @wajoma said
    This is the only good thing about sin taxes, control freaks are confronted head on with this contradiction, the spot light is on so clear and bright it sears the retinas c o n t r a d i c t i o n.

    If you tax something bad to reduce it's occurrence then why tax good things.
    It's called revenue.
  9. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    04 Mar '19 23:27
    @joe-shmo said
    Tax out of existence?
    Don't put words in my mouth.

    Your words:

    "It is akin to
    pricing something out of the market."
    My bad - I always overestimate the reading comprehension of fellow posters.

    "akin to" means "similar" not "the same as".

    And "pricing out of the market" is a stock phrase that usually is not taken literally.


    Did you go receive the same poor education as wajoma?
  10. Subscriberjoe shmo
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    @wolfgang59 said
    My bad - I always overestimate the reading comprehension of fellow posters.

    "akin to" means "similar" not "the same as".

    And "pricing out of the market" is a stock phrase that usually is not taken literally.


    Did you go receive the same poor education as wajoma?
    Must have hit a nerve...
    🤔
  11. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    @joe-shmo said
    Must have hit a nerve...
    🤔
    No.
    I'm annoyed that I've wasted time explaining English to you
    and you've made a bit of a fool of yourself. Neither of which
    were my intention.
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    @metal-brain said
    How is a carbon tax going to solve anything?
    Wait...............wut?

    Carbon taxes will solve all of our problems.
  13. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    08 Mar '19 09:08
    @whodey said
    Carbon taxes will solve all of our problems.
    Thank you for your contribution.
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    08 Mar '19 09:57
    @wolfgang59 said
    Thank you for your contribution.
    I would've said "contribution", but okay.
  15. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    @suzianne said
    I would've said "contribution", but okay.
    You lost me on that?
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