@AverageJoe1 wrote this friendly problem during a friendly bout with the poster who calls himself Thousand. I'd said isn't it fun to have stuff like this on the Forum. His response at bottom exemplifies how you liberals make the Forum quite difficult.
'The question of illegally acquired property is a good one. If you are not home, and I take your lawn mower and sell it to a guy across town, and pocket the money, who owns the lawn mower? The guy across town thinks he does, and paid for it in good faith.
Part Two: What if the new 'owner' spends $400 to get the rider lawn mower tuned up, and then my neighbor goes to get the lawn mower back from him? What then?
Part three: Say there are 2 vacant lots on Jones street, and I buy the one on the left. I pay a contractor $70k in advance to build a house on the lot, and leave for an Italian holiday for 3 months. I come home and find the house was built on the lot on the RIGHT!
Who owns the house that was built on the wrong lot, a lot that is not my lot? Could I send the contractor over to 'take down' the house and move it over to my lot?**
*. Hint: If contractor steps on the housed lot, he could be arrested for trespassing""
THIS was his response.......
Part 1b. The thief dies and his son inherits the mower. The son brags openly about how his alpha male father took the mower from a weakling but the government protects his property rights in the mower anyway
@averagejoe1 saidHe's attempting an analogy, the lawn mower is supposedly representing land, he has a bug in his ass about landlords or something or other.
@AverageJoe1 wrote this friendly problem during a friendly bout with the poster who calls himself Thousand. I'd said isn't it fun to have stuff like this on the Forum. His response at bottom exemplifies how you liberals make the Forum quite difficult.
'The question of illegally acquired property is a good one. If you are not home, and I take your lawn mower and sell ...[text shortened]... r took the mower from a weakling but the government protects his property rights in the mower anyway
Prior to a legal frame work protecting property land was fought over, stolen, re-stolen, fought over some more. I regularly kicked No1's ass on this one, what they're actually doing is making an excellent case for strong property rights, when there were no property rights no one was safe, the better your property the more likely that someone would try to take it. This was the state in New Zealand before Europeans arrived, with them came the concept of property rights and what it meant to own land, a culture that had plateaued with people eating fern roots and being in a constant state of conflict, they no written language and didn't even have the wheel yet FFS but now they could settle and build.
@wajoma saidAll of which proves the need to revert to simple common law. If someone owns something, including land, he will always have to defend some person of liberal bent trying to take it. Like a beast in the woods takes and eats what he wants.
He's attempting an analogy, the lawn mower is supposedly representing land, he has a bug in his ass about landlords or something or other.
Prior to a legal frame work protecting property land was fought over, stolen, re-stolen, fought over some more. I regularly kicked No1's ass on this one, what they're actually doing is making an excellent case for strong property rights ...[text shortened]... they no written language and didn't even have the wheel yet FFS but now they could settle and build.
A liberal can find any asinine reason to convince us that they can be like those beasts in the woods.
@AverageJoe1
Property law is quite clear on this. Being in possession of stolen property is a crime, even if you’re not the one who stole it and do not know it was stolen. If N.N. steals something and sells it to a third party, and the rightful owner discovers that the third party is in possession of it, the rightful owner may sue the third party for its return. The fact that the third party is out of pocket is not the rightful owner’s concern. There is simply nothing to debate here.
@moonbus saidI am writing your name in the AVJOE LOGBOOK as a qualified poster. My list has shortened a bit, ref the child Mil Jovenes, aka thousand young in small letters. There are others who are not on it, so he will not be alone!!
@AverageJoe1
Property law is quite clear on this. Being in possession of stolen property is a crime, even if you’re not the one who stole it and do not know it was stolen. If N.N. steals something and sells it to a third party, and the rightful owner discovers that the third party is in possession of it, the rightful owner may sue the third party for its return. The fact t ...[text shortened]... party is out of pocket is not the rightful owner’s concern. There is simply nothing to debate here.
Can you even fathom answering a very nice, poignant, thoughtful post as he did? It had 3 good issues. I make him about 14, what do you think?
@moonbus saidYou know, re-reading this post reminds me of the erstwhile Marauder, (he willl be back), as he was smart and knows exactly what you have written, but it was not enough to just answer...as you did.
@AverageJoe1
Property law is quite clear on this. Being in possession of stolen property is a crime, even if you’re not the one who stole it and do not know it was stolen. If N.N. steals something and sells it to a third party, and the rightful owner discovers that the third party is in possession of it, the rightful owner may sue the third party for its return. The fact t ...[text shortened]... party is out of pocket is not the rightful owner’s concern. There is simply nothing to debate here.
Thankyou.
@AverageJoe1
Ta.
You’re right: The forums have gone downhill. Coincidentally, I’m reading Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire this week.
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@moonbus saidMay never get to that one, it may fall to the synopsis version when I am 85-ish! As it happens I am preparing a book review for a Club, on Red Notice, page turner, like LeCarre, but true, and may be made a movie. Cheers
@AverageJoe1
Ta.
You’re right: The forums have gone downhill. Coincidentally, I’m reading Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire this week.
😆
@AverageJoe1
I may not make it through all 3 volumes. It took about 1300 years …. But as I recently learned in another thread, Roman civil engineering still affects us today; even NASA rockets have a certain width because railroads have a certain width because Roman roads had a certain width which survived into the industrial age.
@moonbus saidI'm strictly right-brain, but Sonhouse would be on this!!!!
@AverageJoe1
I may not make it through all 3 volumes. It took about 1300 years …. But as I recently learned in another thread, Roman civil engineering still affects us today; even NASA rockets have a certain width because railroads have a certain width because Roman roads had a certain width which survived into the industrial age.
@averagejoe1 saidSo why are you spamming this across multiple threads?
This was on the 'Democrats are a Sorry Lot' thread. If this interests you, check out above that, my post where I had done my best to answer HIS post about an analogy he made, and he ruined that as well.
Don't let this guy waste one minute of your posting time.
@suzianne saidI must have hit a nerve. XoP
So why are you spamming this across multiple threads?
@averagejoe1 said
I am writing your name in the AVJOE LOGBOOK as a qualified poster. My list has shortened a bit, ref the child Mil Jovenes, aka thousand young in small letters. There are others who are not on it, so he will not be alone!!
Can you even fathom answering a very nice, poignant, thoughtful post as he did? It had 3 good issues. I make him about 14, what do you think?
Considering I joined this site in 2004 I think you should think again about that.
@moonbus saidI hope you're reading it mainly for the elegant prose, because many of Gibbon's analyses are quite outdated now. For example, his thesis that the Roman Empire fell because it adopted Christianity seems not to be accepted by modern scholars.
@AverageJoe1
I may not make it through all 3 volumes. It took about 1300 years …. But as I recently learned in another thread, Roman civil engineering still affects us today; even NASA rockets have a certain width because railroads have a certain width because Roman roads had a certain width which survived into the industrial age.