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I you follow the events relating to the Terri Schiavo case you cannot but conclude that the debating situation in the US is a poisoned one. There is a sharp ideological divide between the parties involved and on top of that the parties accuse eachother of being the source of it.
You hear accusations from one side to the other that the opponents are reasoning the way they are because of the political gain they hope to get from it. The political and ideological polarisation is practised by advocates of both sides, in particular by those who accuse the other side loudest of being guilty.
The next thing you notice is that the press is largely in charge of this circus. They determine the agenda. They are trying to steer the discussion in the direction they think is ideologically best. They invite all kinds of "independent experts", who are neither independent nor experts, who tell us what is best for all in general and for the individual in particular.
In the media you hardly ever hear the voices of those who should be in the center of attention in this debate: The organisations of the disabled and handicapped people themselves. They are the real experts. Their voices should be heard more .......
What are your thoughts about the political climate in the United States ?
Should they (we?) try to depolarise the situation and how should this be done ?
Originally posted by ivanhoeIvanhoe, those people whom are in conditions like terry shiavo are'nt speaking up for a reason.
I you follow the events relating to the Terri Schiavo case you cannot but conclude that the debating situation in the US is a poisoned one. There is a sharp ideological divide between the parties involved and on top of that the parties accuse eachother of being the source of it.
You hear accusations from one side to the other that the opponents are reason ...[text shortened]... nited States ?
Should they (we?) try to depolarise the situation and how should this be done ?
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Originally posted by NyxieI meant of course the national disability organisations, Nyxie ......
Ivanhoe, those people whom are in conditions like terry shiavo are'nt speaking up for a reason.
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ADA Watch
ADAPT
AIMMM - Advancing Independence
Center for Self Determination
Center on Human Policy
Citizens United Resisting Euthanasia (CURE)
Disability Rights Center
Disability Rights Education & Defense Fund
Disability Rights Project of the Public Interest Law Center of Philadelphia.
Hospice Patients Alliance
National Catholic Partnership on Disability
National Coalition for Disability Rights
National Coalition on Self-Determination
National Council on Independent Living
National Disabled Students Union
National Down Syndrome Congress
National Organization on Disability
National Spinal Cord Injury Association
Not Dead Yet
Self Advocates Becoming Empowered (SABE)
TASH
World Association of Persons with disAbilities
World Institute on Disability
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Originally posted by ivanhoeThis is all just a small sample of a very large problem in American politics that has been around for years. This is nothing new. Politicians play politics with everything. It's what they do.
I you follow the events relating to the Terri Schiavo case you cannot but conclude that the debating situation in the US is a poisoned one. There is a sharp ideological divide between the parties involved and on top of that the parties accuse eachother of being the source of it.
You hear accusations from one side to the other that the opponents are reason ...[text shortened]... nited States ?
Should they (we?) try to depolarise the situation and how should this be done ?
Our best and our brightest do not become politicians. We have gotten the government we deserve Ivanhoe.
Originally posted by ivanhoeThe organisations of the disabled and handicapped people themselves. They are the real experts.
I you follow the events relating to the Terri Schiavo case you cannot but conclude that the debating situation in the US is a poisoned one. There is a sharp ideological divide between the parties involved and on top of that the parties accuse eachother of being the source of it.
You hear accusations from one side to the other that the opponents are reason ...[text shortened]... nited States ?
Should they (we?) try to depolarise the situation and how should this be done ?
No they are not. This issue really comes down to a legal one; should people have the right to refuse medical treatment if they so desire? Organizations of disabled and handicapped people certainly have the right to chime in but they are not anymore "experts" on what rights free human beings should have then anyone else.
And a quick glance at the contents of some of the threads started by you Ivanhoe concerning this matter shows which side is "poisoning the atmosphere" by spreading outrageous accusations and falsehoods in this sad affair. I would say for you to complain about a "poisoned atmosphere" is a Level 5 Hypocrisy alert.
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Originally posted by no1marauderNo1: "No they are not. This issue really comes down to a legal one"
The organisations of the disabled and handicapped people themselves. They are the real experts.
No they are not. This issue really comes down to a legal one; should people have the right to refuse medical treatment if they ...[text shortened]... lain about a "poisoned atmosphere" is a Level 5 Hypocrisy alert.
You look at this matter as a legal matter with moral aspects. To me and lots of other people too, this matter is a moral one with legal aspects. That's why you push yourself to the centre as being the "expert" and that's why you have a role in mind for the disabled on the sideline.
You never stop your accusations and personal attacks on me, do you No1 ?
I can tell you I have received PM's from people expressing their support for me and stating they would love to react in the forums but guess what holds them back, No1 ? ...... They are afraid of getting the same treatment you are giving me.
Originally posted by ivanhoeThey're afriad of open debate?
You look at this matter as a legal matter with moral aspects. To me and lots of other people too, this matter is a moral one with legal aspects.
You never stop your accusations and personal attacks on me, do you No1 ?
I can tell you I have received PM's from people expressing their support for me and stating they would love to react in the forums ...[text shortened]... holds them back, No1 ? ...... They are afraid of getting the same treatment you are giving me.
From a moral standpoint, regardless of law, a human being is responsible for their own descisions.
Nyxie
Originally posted by ivanhoeI can tell you I have received PM's from people expressing their support for me and stating they would love to react in the forums but guess what holds them back, No1 ? ...... They are afraid of getting the same treatment you are giving me.
You look at this matter as a legal matter with moral aspects. To me and lots of other people too, this matter is a moral one with legal aspects.
You never stop your accusations and personal attacks on me, do you No1 ?
I can tell you I have received PM's from people expressing their support for me and stating they would love to react in the forums ...[text shortened]... holds them back, No1 ? ...... They are afraid of getting the same treatment you are giving me.
If these people are not imaginary, then I am providing a valuable service by dissuading people even less rational than you (shudder!) from making fools of themselves. Their thanks are appreciated, Ivanhoe; I'm always happy to do what I can to help such people.
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Originally posted by no1marauderEven in your "humour" you cannot stop your innuendo and your accusations.
I can tell you I have received PM's from people expressing their support for me and stating they would love to react in the forums but guess what holds them back, No1 ? ...... They are afraid of getting the same treatment you a ...[text shortened]... , Ivanhoe; I'm always happy to do what I can to help such people.
It is a sad case for a community like RHP when there are people who do not want to participate in a debate because they are afraid of getting a "No1" treatment.
Originally posted by ivanhoeYes it's a complete and terrible tragedy.:'(:'(
Even in your "humour" you cannot stop your innuendo and your accusations.
It is a sad case for a community like RHP when there are people who do not want to participate in a debate because they are afraid of getting a "No1" treatment.
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Yes it's a complete and terrible tragedy.:'(:'(
Your "humour" doesn't get you off the hook, No1.
You are capable of discussing things in a civil manner but sometimes you cannot control yourself ..... I guess we both now where to start to end this unworthy operetta ...... get rid of the booze !
Originally posted by ivanhoePersonal attacks? From you, defender of civility in the forums? Why, I'm shocked, SHOCKED, Sir Ivanhoe!
Your "humour" doesn't get you off the hook, No1.
You are capable of discussing things in a civil manner but sometimes you cannot control yourself ..... I guess we both now where to start to end this unworthy operetta ...... get rid of the booze !