Originally posted by darvlayI agree that arguing about religion is pointless, but I would say political arguments are critically important. How do people come to adopt a particular set of political beliefs, if not through discussions/arguments? It's not like religion, where most people will have the faith of their parents. I know a lot of people who have different political views than their parents.
Is there anything more fruitless and repetitive than arguing Politics? Maybe religion.
Originally posted by richjohnsonHave you ever witnessed somebody change their position on a political issue on the basis of an argument or a debate?
I agree that arguing about religion is pointless, but I would say political arguments are critically important. How do people come to adopt a particular set of political beliefs, if not through discussions/arguments? It's not like religion, where most people will have the faith of their parents. I know a lot of people who have different political views than their parents.
Originally posted by MayharmNope. I have never seen an argument change a person's political position. I have never seen an argument convince a Republican that taxation ought to be progressive. I've never seen an argument convince a Democrat that affirmative action is unfair. Etc etc.
I have, and have myself.
Haven't you?
MÅ¥HÅRM
Originally posted by darvlayROFL, "...recongnize any facts whatsoever?" The same thing could
In Politics, maybe.
But have you ever tried to discuss religion with a born-again Christian who won't recognize any facts whatsoever? Good luck.
be said of non-believers as well. The issue is not all Christians or
all non-believers rejecting facts, that is to broad a statement. I do
have issue on what is called a fact from time to time, as I would
hope you would too depending on what the subject is.
Kelly
Originally posted by bbarrOh, are you referring to political leanings rather than political arguments?
Nope. I have never seen an argument change a person's political position. I have never seen an argument convince a Republican that taxation ought to be progressive. I've never seen an argument convince a Democrat that affirmative action is unfair. Etc etc.
It takes much more than an on-line argument for someone to switch allegiance from say, republican to democrat.
It requires a lot of effort to persuade someone on a single issue, but it can be done.
However, as with religion, the more faithful a person is to their chosen creed, the harsher life has to test them for their faith to be shaken. If someone votes republican and takes the republican stance on every issue out of faith...
MÅ¥HÅRM
Originally posted by bbarrWell, I think that once someone has become a "D"emocrat or a "R"epublican, they're pretty far gone. But how does a person get to be a D or a R? Is is genetic?😉
Nope. I have never seen an argument change a person's political position. I have never seen an argument convince a Republican that taxation ought to be progressive. I've never seen an argument convince a Democrat that affirmative action is unfair. Etc etc.
Originally posted by KellyJayBut the Christian faith is built on the Bible which is stated to be the "infallible Word of God". How can you try and debate with someone who takes this incredibly presumptuous statement as fact? Every answer tends to be along the lines of "for the Bible tells me so" which, not-surprisingly, is the line of a children's church song.
ROFL, "...recongnize any facts whatsoever?" The same thing could
be said of non-believers as well. The issue is not all Christians or
all non-believers rejecting facts, that is to broad a statement. I do
have issue on what is called a fact from time to time, as I would
hope you would too depending on what the subject is.
Kelly
Originally posted by richjohnsonU.S. citizens start off as Democrats in utero, but if the mother abuses drugs, falls down a flight of stairs, etc., the child's political orientation may suffer accordingly.
Well, I think that once someone has become a "D"emocrat or a "R"epublican, they're pretty far gone. But how does a person get to be a D or a R? Is is genetic?😉
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Originally posted by darvlayYou can start by pointing out that asserting the Bible's infallibility is question-begging in a debate concerning whether the Christian picture of the world is accurate. Of course, that will only persuade a rational Christian.
But the Christian faith is built on the Bible which is stated to be the "infallible Word of God". How can you try and debate with someone who takes this incredibly presumptuous statement as fact? Every answer tends to be along the lines ...[text shortened]... hich, not-surprisingly, is the line of a children's church song.