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  1. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    13 Apr '11 21:37
    How'd it do? Heraldabc is quite harsh on what I thought was our stellar record. What do you think?

    We stalemated Korea, we lost Vietnam, we screwed up Granada, stumbled over Nicaragua, lost Panama to the PRCs, bungled Lebanon, did not close the deal on Iraq the first time, screwed up Somalia, and look to see the current Iraq regime tilt toward Iran even after a ten year war we allegedly won. (If you think Malarky is anything than a Tehran tool, then you are not paying attention) Add to that we still look about to lose the twelve year Afghan War and now the MESS that is Libya.

    No, JFKY, history is very clear on this one.

    There is NO substitute for victory, and from the track record I just showed you, there is DAMN little American victory to show.

    Heraldabc

    http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20110406.aspx?comments=Y
  2. 13 Apr '11 22:31 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    How'd it do? Heraldabc is quite harsh on what I thought was our stellar record. What do you think?

    We stalemated Korea, we lost Vietnam, we screwed up Granada, stumbled over Nicaragua, lost Panama to the PRCs, bungled Lebanon, did not close the deal on Iraq the first time, screwed up Somalia, and look to see the current Iraq regime tilt toward ...[text shortened]... .

    Heraldabc

    http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20110406.aspx?comments=Y
    Lotta BS.

    We kept the North Koreans from taking over the South, which was their goal then and now. That's not a stalemate.
    Yeah, Vietnam was a loss, but not by the military. They OWNED South Vietnam from 1970 on.

    "Screwed up Grenada Somalia, blah blah blah".

    Screwed up? Those places have been screwed up since before written history so who cares? They will be screwed up a thousand years from now. America can't wave a magic wand and make them peaceful democratic fun loving let's-be-fair -and -follow-the-Golden Rule type of people. They never have been and never will be.
  3. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    13 Apr '11 23:03
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    How'd it do? Heraldabc is quite harsh on what I thought was our stellar record. What do you think?

    We stalemated Korea, we lost Vietnam, we screwed up Granada, stumbled over Nicaragua, lost Panama to the PRCs, bungled Lebanon, did not close the deal on Iraq the first time, screwed up Somalia, and look to see the current Iraq regime tilt toward ...[text shortened]... .

    Heraldabc

    http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20110406.aspx?comments=Y
    Who is Heraldabc and why does anyone care about his opinion?
  4. 13 Apr '11 23:11 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    Who is Heraldabc and why does anyone care about his opinion?
    People who think the US should have the power of Harry Potter care, they like to quote stuff like this and say "Gee America suuuucks" , like the US can make backward parts and people of the world suddenly transform by sending them to school for a year.
  5. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    14 Apr '11 01:18 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    Who is Heraldabc and why does anyone care about his opinion?
    American military rocket scientist and I respect his intelligence and intellectual honesty.
  6. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    14 Apr '11 23:31 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    How'd it do? Heraldabc is quite harsh on what I thought was our stellar record. What do you think?

    We stalemated Korea, we lost Vietnam, we screwed up Granada, stumbled over Nicaragua, lost Panama to the PRCs, bungled Lebanon, did not close the deal on Iraq the first time, screwed up Somalia, and look to see the current Iraq regime tilt toward ...[text shortened]... .

    Heraldabc

    http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20110406.aspx?comments=Y
    I agree. This series of failures is a direct result of America's stupid policy of trying to play world policeman. It's wasteful, destructive, and unnecessary. (...but it makes up for all this by being expensive!)
  7. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    14 Apr '11 23:47
    Originally posted by bill718
    I agree. This series of failures is a direct result of America's stupid policy of trying to play world policeman. It's wasteful, destructive, and unnecessary. (...but it makes up for all this by being expensive!)
    This "series of failures" is a figment of Heraldabc's imagination.
  8. 16 Apr '11 22:30
    Originally posted by Sam The Sham
    Lotta BS.

    We kept the North Koreans from taking over the South, which was their goal then and now. That's not a stalemate.
    Yeah, Vietnam was a loss, but not by the military. They OWNED South Vietnam from 1970 on.

    "Screwed up Grenada Somalia, blah blah blah".

    Screwed up? Those places have been screwed up since before written history so who care ...[text shortened]... e-fair -and -follow-the-Golden Rule type of people. They never have been and never will be.
    take Karzai, for instance. whack him and his corrupt family and cronies or lock them up or exile them sans their coin and start over with a new bunch. repeat til a good bunch sticks.
  9. 16 Apr '11 22:33
    we have bridges and hospital units we can transport around the world. we need turnkey government computer systems. boot em up and hold elections, 1 month after the fighting stops. refer to above post if the electees don't behave. all govt fund transfers online and browseable.
  10. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    16 Apr '11 23:05
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    we have bridges and hospital units we can transport around the world. we need turnkey government computer systems. boot em up and hold elections, 1 month after the fighting stops. refer to above post if the electees don't behave. all govt fund transfers online and browseable.
    Democracy the franchise....coming soon to a junta near you...
  11. 17 Apr '11 00:18 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sam The Sham
    Lotta BS.

    We kept the North Koreans from taking over the South, which was their goal then and now. That's not a stalemate.
    Yeah, Vietnam was a loss, but not by the military. They OWNED South Vietnam from 1970 on.

    "Screwed up Grenada Somalia, blah blah blah".

    Screwed up? Those places have been screwed up since before written history so who care e-fair -and -follow-the-Golden Rule type of people. They never have been and never will be.
    It might be noted that except for Grenada, all of those actions were the USA acting as the muscle of the UN, and acting with restraint to impress the world with our humanity. By the way how come Haiti, Bosnia, Serbia and Kosevo are left out? As well at the fiasco in Iran, Carter administration.