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I missed Ryan's speech tonight, but at the gym I got to watch the talking heads waxing on about it. Apparently all of them agreed, including the ex-RNC guy Michael Steele, that Ryan lied when he blamed Obama for the closing of the GM plant in his home town - it closed under Bush. They all agreed it is is a lie, but they marveled with respect over the masterful way he delivered the lie, and how effective it will be with undecided voters who don't care about the fact checking.
Seriously, WTF????
30 Aug 12
Originally posted by KunsooPeople will be more than willing to vote one liar out for another.
I missed Ryan's speech tonight, but at the gym I got to watch the talking heads waxing on about it. Apparently all of them agreed, including the ex-RNC guy Michael Steele, that Ryan lied when he blamed Obama for the closing of the GM plant in his home town - it closed under Bush. They all agreed it is is a lie, but they marveled with respect over the master ...[text shortened]... it will be with undecided voters who don't care about the fact checking.
Seriously, WTF????
30 Aug 12
Originally posted by moon1969It's no defense at all. All I'm saying is that both parites are full of poo. The funny thing is most think that their poo doesn't stink.
The only defense that right-wingers offer of their lying Republican leaders is to call the President a liar. Seems like a weak defense.
It is akin to a Congressman standing up during an Obama speech and yelling "Liar!" Was he lying, yes, but no one really gives a damn, do they?
The only answer is to decentralize the sysem and stop being ruled by an oligarchy in Washington that are accountable to no one.
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Originally posted by FMFWell yeah. And the lie about the deficit commission. And the one about the removal of the work requirement for welfare. That would be a start.
Do you think Ryan should take back or correct what he said about Obama closing the GM plant in his home town?
But it wasn't the lying that got to me. I expect them all to lie, even Obama really. What I didn't expect was the media to comment on it and treat it like a virtue!
It does appear that the lying reached a threshold beyond even what the mainstream media can take. There's a bit of a backlash.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/paul-ryan-convention-speech-media-backlash.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/08/will_the_liar_thing_break_through.php?ref=fpblg
Which gives Obama an opening. Will he or his SuperPAC supporters take it? Has to happen now, to put Ryan on the defensive today. Not tomorrow. Not next week.
Seems that he will take the opening. I got this email this morning:
Eric --
If you've seen any coverage of Paul Ryan's speech in Tampa, you know that the consensus among journalists and independent observers is that it was ... factually challenged.
He lied about Medicare. He lied about the Recovery Act. He lied about the deficit and debt. He even dishonestly attacked Barack Obama for the closing of a GM plant in his hometown of Janesville, Wisconsin -- a plant that closed in December 2008 under George W. Bush. He also failed to offer one constructive idea about what he would do to move the country forward.
Don't roll your eyes. We can't just groan and shrug and remark to our like-minded friends that this is ridiculous, because this is a significant moment in this campaign.
The fact that this speech, on this huge stage, is this blatantly false represents a huge bet by the Romney campaign -- they've decided that facts, truth and reality will not be a brake on their campaign message. And they just signaled to the extremist billionaires and corporate interests that support them that they should go ahead and spend their hundreds of millions of dollars attacking Barack Obama with whatever lies can work.
The only thing that can beat this back is you:
https://donate.barackobama.com/Paul-Ryan
More soon.
Messina
Jim Messina
Campaign Manager
Obama for America
30 Aug 12
Originally posted by Kunsoohttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19427111
It does appear that [Ryan's] lying reached a threshold beyond even what the mainstream media can take. There's a bit of a backlash.
Paul Ryan Republican speech 'contained errors'
Republican vice-presidential nominee Paul Ryan has come under fire for alleged inaccuracies during his convention debut in Tampa, Florida.
Mr Ryan attacked the president for making cuts to the Medicare healthcare programme, but did not say that his own budget plan includes the same savings.
He complained that proposals by a budget commission were not adopted, but did not mention he opposed its report. etc.
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Originally posted by FMFBut those are all policy issues rife with "complications" and details. You can get away with something like that. You can accuse Obama of "stealing" Medicare dollars, and unfortunately for Obama, the response is complicated. It's not that simple, and can't be explained in milibites.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19427111
Paul Ryan Republican speech 'contained errors'
Republican vice-presidential nominee Paul Ryan has come under fire for alleged inaccuracies during his convention debut in Tampa, Florida.
Mr Ryan attacked the president for making cuts to the Medicare healthcare programme, but did not say that his own budg ...[text shortened]... osals by a budget commission were not adopted, but did not mention he opposed its report. etc.
But what is becoming known as "the Jaynesville Lie" is easily debunked, and right now Jeb Bush and other GOP advocates are trying to explain that what Ryan "really said" was that Obama made a false promise, and wasn't actually blaming Obama for the closure. Even some of the dumber voters aren't going to fall for that.
Ed Schultz is now talking about holding a town hall meeting in Jaynesville, to bring up Dana Perino's comments at the time praising GM for shutting the plant down ("adapting" to the new market). Perino was of course Bush's ditzy Press Secretary who managed to graduate from college in political science without knowing anything about the Cuban Missile Crisis, or that it even happened.
The Romney campaign is already on the defensive about this. Can Romney deliver such a stunning speech tonight that the media stops pushing this story?
31 Aug 12
But GM confirmed Thursday that it shut down the Janesville plant a month before the president took office. Candidate Obama did promise "an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville," but GM statement says "from a business perspective, (the Janesville closing) was a done deal" by December 2008.
I guess re-tooling it with a company making solar panels is off the table after Solyndra hey??
One dimensional thinking