Originally posted by FMFNope. In this business you just smile and stand behind what you say. Like I said, most don't even know and those that do already know who they will be voting for. Taking back what you say is a sign of weakness, like you are accountable or something.
I am asking you if you think Ryan should correct what he said?
Originally posted by whodeyWell if you don't think Ryan should correct what he said, then what credibility do you think you have when you criticize politicians for lying?
Nope. In this business you just smile and stand behind what you say. Like I said, most don't even know and those that do already know who they will be voting for. Taking back what you say is a sign of weakness, like you are accountable or something.
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Originally posted by FMFRyan has made himself vulnerable for the VP debate, where Romney really needs a win because I don't think Romney can hope for more than a draw against Obama.
Well if you don't think Ryan should correct what he said, then what credibility do you think you have when you criticize politicians for lying?
Originally posted by Kunsoothat's a laugh, but everyone does know by now that Obama can talk a good talk, where he has failed, is delivering on what he actually says, and that is where the substance is.. deliver on what you say.. we own this country, and it's time to let him go,, classic, and true..
Ryan has made himself vulnerable for the VP debate, where Romney really needs a win because I don't think Romney can hope for more than a draw against Obama.
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Originally posted by Hugh GlassYeah, yeah - Ryan gives a lawyesque statement which means he can imply that Obama was at fault but he didn't really say that if you look closely at the careful wording. And people aren't buying it. Cry me a river.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/083012-624188-so-called-fact-checks-disguise-media-liberal-agenda.htm?src=HPLNews
read what was actually said,, then post? a novel idea Kunsoo....
Originally posted by KunsooHere's a snippet from an article from Sept, 2011 entitled "GM Janesville plant still on standby":
Yeah, yeah - Ryan gives a lawyesque statement which means he can imply that Obama was at fault but he didn't really say that if you look closely at the careful wording. And people aren't buying it. Cry me a river.
General Motors Co. has committed to reopen its idled plant in Spring Hill, Tenn., and keep its shuttered assembly plant in Janesville on standby status.
The commitment to the former Saturn plant in Tennessee was part of a contract settlement reached late last week between GM and the United Auto Workers union.
Since they were shut down in 2009, both the Janesville and Tennessee plants have been on standby status, meaning they were not producing vehicles, but they were not completely shut down.
The UAW was seeking a commitment from the company to add jobs and reopen idled plants as part of talks on a new four-year contract.
Under terms of the contract, UAW members will receive $5,000 signing bonuses and the possibility of sweeter profit-sharing checks, two people briefed on the talks told the Associated Press.
Auto industry observer David Cole, chairman emeritus of the Ann Arbor, Mich.-based Center for Automotive Research, said it would be premature to say the Janesville plant will never reopen.
"If we get back to any kind of a reasonable market, with 15- or 16 million sales, then I think that's going to require Janesville as well," he said.
But the economy is recovering more slowly than people anticipated. "That's really the key factor," Cole said. "You're going to see the company be exceedingly cautious on overcapacity. And they obviously didn't need a commitment for Janesville to get the UAW's support."
http://www.jsonline.com/business/130171578.html
So the plant was still operating in 2009, and there were hopes of it reopening as late as September 2011 when the article was written, you know, if only Obama's economy didn't suck so much.
Now, here's what Ryan said:
My own state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it. Especially in Janesville where we were about to lose a major factory. A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that G.M. plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said, "I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years."
That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that's how it is in so many towns where the recovery that was promised is no where in sight.
Where's the lie?
Originally posted by KunsooRyan was entirely accurate, as the Janesville plant was scheduled for closure when candidate Obama said it would remain open 100 years. The actual closing or slow down began while Bush was still in office, but the final shutting of the doors happened under Obama.
I missed Ryan's speech tonight, but at the gym I got to watch the talking heads waxing on about it. Apparently all of them agreed, including the ex-RNC guy Michael Steele, that Ryan lied when he blamed Obama for the closing of the GM plant in his home town - it closed under Bush. They all agreed it is is a lie, but they marveled with respect over the master ...[text shortened]... it will be with undecided voters who don't care about the fact checking.
Seriously, WTF????
There was no lie, except from candidate Obama.
Originally posted by FMFNo. What he said was the truth. Obama was also in charge of the managed bankruptcy of GM, and presumably had the power to keep Janesville open if he intended to keep his promise.
Do you think Ryan should take back or correct what he said about Obama closing the GM plant in his home town?
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Originally posted by SleepyguyThe lie is the implication that the plant close, not in Clintonesque wording terms using cute terms like "stand-by", but in actual functional terms. His implication was that Obama failed to keep the plant open during his Presidency. It's a lie. Not a fib. Not an exageration. And outright lie. Ryan proved himself to be a soulless shell of a suit, with no core values. And he's paying the price.
Here's a snippet from an article from Sept, 2011 entitled "GM Janesville plant still on standby":General Motors Co. has committed to reopen its idled plant in Spring Hill, Tenn., and keep its shuttered assembly plant in Janesville on standby status.
The commitment to the former Saturn plant in Tennessee was part of a contract settlement reached ...[text shortened]... ecovery that was promised is no where in sight.
Where's the lie?
Originally posted by KunsooThe real cynical electoral calculating and lying was on the part of Obama, who figured and got Wisconsin and then dumped his 100 year promise.
The lie is the implication that the plant close, not in Clintonesque wording terms using cute terms like "stand-by", but in actual functional terms. His implication was that Obama failed to keep the plant open during his Presidency. It's a lie. Not a fib. Not an exageration. And outright lie. Ryan proved himself to be a soulless shell of a suit, with no core values. And he's paying the price.
He instead kept open Tennessee and Detroit plants.
The price Ryan is paying is favorable ratings in typically blue southern Wisconsin. The workers or unemployed workers in Janesville know who is and has been lying.
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This photo is making the rounds.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=523381761020673&set=a.116898608335659.16274.108038612554992&type=1&theater
But...but....but..... it was on stand-by! Really, Ryan was telling the truth! He didn't blame Obama. Oh wait, yes he did! See, it was on standby! It wasn't really closed! It was all Obama's fault! Honest!!
FYI, it appears that the Democrats are organizing a town hall meeting for Janesville. Some of the "standby" workers will be speaking. Not sure about details as to timing. It's been discussed on the liberal radio talk shows.