15 Sep 21
From abortions to elections to rents, Biden is seeking to federalize huge areas to displace state law. You fellers only see the surface. Not since John Adams has the country's federalism been challenged so horribly.
Biden has SAID that he knows he is operating outside of constitutional limits. He said months ago, together with Pelosi, that he would not mandate. But, last week he said he would, using OSHA (a workaround). Even his redhead mouthpiece Psaki said "We do not have the power to require vax". But NOW they are trying to supplant state authority . You fellers listening??
Biden is in effect breaking down a system designed to protect liberty. And you think that WE are power hungry?
Dems: Govt exists to rule, and to dole out rights and privileges as it sees fit. Biden is a dictator, folks.
Repubs: Govt serves citizens, does not dictate to them, and protects inalienable rights .
Vote: Which side is in line with the Constitution.
16 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 saidAnswer this question which I have asked repeatedly:
From abortions to elections to rents, Biden is seeking to federalize huge areas to displace state law. You fellers only see the surface. Not since John Adams has the country's federalism been challenged so horribly.
Biden has SAID that he knows he is operating outside of constitutional limits. He said months ago, together with Pelosi, that he would not mandate. But, ...[text shortened]... o them, and protects inalienable rights .
Vote: Which side is in line with the Constitution.
IF OSHA as part of its Congressional mandate to protect the safety of workers engaged in or affected by interstate commerce, can regulate ladders in the workplace why can't it regulate COVID in the workplace? Surely the second is far more of a threat to worker safety than the first.
16 Sep 21
@no1marauder saidWhat the REAL issue is, which is the only way I see it.....you are asking if the federal government should be able to, at their whim, tell a citizen, like they might in North Korea, that they must give up the freedom of controlling their own bodies. That is the real question. You see, you, of liberal dogma, see people as members of’groups’. Me, I place the individual on a higher pedestal. You want to herd people. Tell the group what they must do.
Answer this question which I have asked repeatedly:
IF OSHA as part of its Congressional mandate to protect the safety of workers engaged in or affected by interstate commerce, can regulate ladders in the workplace why can't it regulate COVID in the workplace? Surely the second is far more of a threat to worker safety than the first.
I’m sorry, I can’t get past that. OSHA, , fixing ladders and counting hand-rails is a far cry from governing like Hitler in his speech Nuremberg. Ah yes, The People. The Group. Everyone do what our Dear Leader, who is growing impatient, says. Brrrrrrr again.
What next will you guys dictate? You will, you know. Herd the sheep. Marauder, there is a bigger plan, you know. Ever wonder why you never see the mysterious Susan Rice? She is HUGE in the party. And, Dictators do not quit. Tyranny never ends nicely. Why don’t we nip it in the bud. The virus is NOT a reason to throw in the towel to politicians,to let govt control our lives.
The virus will be here forever, but controllable. Maybe a few more will die, and there will then be a Maas vaccination.
You are writing about govt control. Let’s face it, stipulate that libs are OK with it. We independents are not. Recall you actually wrote about safety nets once. I think it is fine for 40M destitute, but much for anyone else. We differ.
16 Sep 21
@AverageJoe1
If someone is excepted from the vax, because of religious reasons, working in the factory, then that one person renders your entire premise to be faulty. Everyone is not protected.
16 Sep 21
@AverageJoe1
And if you needed proof, look at hospitals in the south. FLOODED with covid patients.
And delta at that. over 90% of covid are now from the unvaxxed.
This goes WAY beyond individual freedoms.
You have to give up some freedoms for a democracy to work and one of them is protecting OTHER people by getting the shots, wearing masks.
If you don't think you need to, you ARE the problem.
You want the freedom to KILL not the freedom of your bodies.
If you want freedom of bodies why are you against abortion?
That is a fundamental right now denied in Texas regardless of rape or incest, AND women don't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks.
But you don't even want to TALK about merits of the law, all you want is distraction, YEAH but what about Clinton, BOTH of them.
16 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 saidYou're dodging as usual with your vapid, propaganda points. "Hitler" "dictator" and the rest is nonsense.
What the REAL issue is, which is the only way I see it.....you are asking if the federal government should be able to, at their whim, tell a citizen, like they might in North Korea, that they must give up the freedom of controlling their own bodies. That is the real question. You see, you, of liberal dogma, see people as members of’groups’. Me, I place the individual o ...[text shortened]... e about safety nets once. I think it is fine for 40M destitute, but much for anyone else. We differ.
"Maybe a few more will die"? 1805 more reported deaths today. Almost 12,000 in the last seven days. This is an epidemic that people need protection from and as, has I have pointed out repeatedly you have no "right" to spread disease to other people, the modest measures the President have proposed are well within the legitimate powers of a democratically government and are supported by a significant majority of the People.
The real difference is you have no coherent philosophy and believe whatever you are told by your right wing propaganda sources.
16 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 saidMy understanding is that they still would have to be tested weekly.
@AverageJoe1
If someone is excepted from the vax, because of religious reasons, working in the factory, then that one person renders your entire premise to be faulty. Everyone is not protected.
Anyway, governmental measures need not be perfect or as Voltaire said: " “Le mieux est l’ennemi du bien.” So long as they fulfill a compelling governmental interest (as it obviously does here) and is narrowly tailored to achieve that interest, it should pass even the strictest test of judicial scrutiny.
16 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 said🚧🚨Moronity of Gop alert!!!🚨🚧
From abortions to elections to rents, Biden is seeking to federalize huge areas to displace state law. You fellers only see the surface. Not since John Adams has the country's federalism been challenged so horribly.
Biden has SAID that he knows he is operating outside of constitutional limits. He said months ago, together with Pelosi, that he would not mandate. But, ...[text shortened]... o them, and protects inalienable rights .
Vote: Which side is in line with the Constitution.
16 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 said"Give up the freedom of controlling their own bodies"
What the REAL issue is, which is the only way I see it.....you are asking if the federal government should be able to, at their whim, tell a citizen, like they might in North Korea, that they must give up the freedom of controlling their own bodies. That is the real question. You see, you, of liberal dogma, see people as members of’groups’. Me, I place the individual o ...[text shortened]... e about safety nets once. I think it is fine for 40M destitute, but much for anyone else. We differ.
Hmmmm.......you talking about the abortion issue ??? 🤔
16 Sep 21
@no1marauder saidThe vaccinated who have not had covid should be tested weekly. Those people that have had covid already have top notch immunity relative to the vaccinated. Those are the people that are safest to be around. They don't need testing. Only misinformed and stupid people think they should be tested.
My understanding is that they still would have to be tested weekly.
Anyway, governmental measures need not be perfect or as Voltaire said: " “Le mieux est l’ennemi du bien.” So long as they fulfill a compelling governmental interest (as it obviously does here) and is narrowly tailored to achieve that interest, it should pass even the strictest test of judicial scrutiny.
@metal-brain said🚧🚨Moronity of Gop alert!!!🚨🚧
The vaccinated who have not had covid should be tested weekly. Those people that have had covid already have top notch immunity relative to the vaccinated. Those are the people that are safest to be around. They don't need testing. Only misinformed and stupid people think they should be tested.
@metal-brain saidSo the consequence of youer post would be: Intentionally inflict the life virus in epople, so that immunity is boosted?
The vaccinated who have not had covid should be tested weekly. Those people that have had covid already have top notch immunity relative to the vaccinated. Those are the people that are safest to be around. They don't need testing. Only misinformed and stupid people think they should be tested.
Even if your thesis that immunity by infection was higher than by vaccination, that would be highly unethical and catastrophic for the health system.
16 Sep 21
@ponderable saidThe gene vaccines do not stop the spread. Everyone is going to get the virus sooner or later anyway so it is not unethical at all. It would not be catastrophic for the health system. Most people have already gotten the virus and most of the old people that were vulnerable have already died. There are less people to infect so there will never be enough hospitalizations to overload hospitals unless the gene vaccines make it worse. If they are causing ACE that will happen, but not because of what you are claiming.
So the consequence of youer post would be: Intentionally inflict the life virus in epople, so that immunity is boosted?
Even if your thesis that immunity by infection was higher than by vaccination, that would be highly unethical and catastrophic for the health system.
16 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 said"What the REAL issue is, which is the only way I see it.....you are asking if the federal government should be able to, at their whim, tell a citizen, like they might in North Korea, that they must give up the freedom of controlling their own bodies. "
What the REAL issue is, which is the only way I see it.....you are asking if the federal government should be able to, at their whim, tell a citizen, like they might in North Korea, that they must give up the freedom of controlling their own bodies. That is the real question. You see, you, of liberal dogma, see people as members of’groups’. Me, I place the individual o ...[text shortened]... e about safety nets once. I think it is fine for 40M destitute, but much for anyone else. We differ.
fuk, so much hypocrisy here though I don't know if it can be called as such if you're too stupid to realize it. I am quite sure you have no idea what i am talking about.
16 Sep 21
@no1marauder saidThe Common Good. I find that phrase very unsettling. And, it is true, to be tested weekly. Problem is, one passes test on Monday, gets covid Monday night, infects people for 6 more days before the next Monday. So, what is the point, since he can infect 100 people in 20 minutes. All at the expense of giving up freedoms.
My understanding is that they still would have to be tested weekly.
Anyway, governmental measures need not be perfect or as Voltaire said: " “Le mieux est l’ennemi du bien.” So long as they fulfill a compelling governmental interest (as it obviously does here) and is narrowly tailored to achieve that interest, it should pass even the strictest test of judicial scrutiny.
You are right, I am obsessed with Freedom, being chipped away as we speak. What a perfect moment to tell the government....No More!
As to the number of people died from Covid, just as many people with covid do not die. And you yourself dodge many of my points ......could you respond to my concern about Freedom, or is it impossible for you to type the word in a cogent thoughtful sentence. Freedom, or Common Good? Hell, next you will want me to give some of my production to a person who does not produce.