04 Sep 04
If your a christian we all came from Eadan so who cares where we live now. If your a athesit we all originated from Africa so who cares where we live now. Or if you look at it another way we had no say/contributation to anything our ancesters did so we cant take pride/responsibility/shame for it. All in all there is no point in pride in our country.
05 Sep 04
Originally posted by Brother EdwinYup, I pretty much agree with that. It's logical enough to be proud of personal achievements or to be proud on behalf of friends and family, but taking pride in the quirk of fate that meant you were born in one place rather than another strikes me as rather odd. I think rampant nationalism is often very harmful, because it tends to blind people to the weaknesses of their own country. On the other hand, a certain degree of national pride can be a driving force in trying to make your homeland as decent a place as possible. And it certainly makes the Olympics more interesting than it would be if we were watching a collection of fairly obscure sports without any interest in who might win.
If your a christian we all came from Eadan so who cares where we live now. If your a athesit we all originated from Africa so who cares where we live now. Or if you look at it another way we had no say/contributation to anything our ancesters did so we cant take pride/responsibility/shame for it. All in all there is no point in pride in our country.
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05 Sep 04
Originally posted by richhoeyi am very proud of my country despite its many shortcomings. i dont think i am blind to the fact that we make mistakes. i also dont think too many americans believe this way also. i believe it is easy to stamp someone with rampant nationalism when all they are really doing is having a little pride in thier country. surely these people are not ignorant enought to believe that the country does nothing wrong. hell i see it all the time.-- a bluecollar worker gets home from work and cracks open a cold beer. he turns on the television and yells at the news anchors for a little while and gripes about our politicians, but yet he has enough pride in our country that if someone tried to disrespect it would more than happily do what it takes for be on top. this person know we are not perfect
I think rampant nationalism is often very harmful, because it tends to blind people to the weaknesses of their own country. On the other hand, a certain degree of national pride can be a driving force in trying to make your homeland as decent a place as possible.
06 Sep 04
Originally posted by usmc7257When I think of "rampant nationalism," I think of Kenny Rogers.
i am very proud of my country despite its many shortcomings. i dont think i am blind to the fact that we make mistakes. i also dont think too many americans believe this way also. i believe it is easy to stamp someone with rampant nationalism when all they are really doing is having a little pride in thier country. surely these people are not ignorant enoug ...[text shortened]... t it would more than happily do what it takes for be on top. this person know we are not perfect
"I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free . . ."
(blah blah blah, propaganda, bad music, ignorance, blah blah blah)
06 Sep 04
Originally posted by usmc7257So many negatives and double negatives it makes my poor head hurt. i dont think too many americans believe this way also .. Does this mean most Americans hold different views from you?
i am very proud of my country despite its many shortcomings. i dont think i am blind to the fact that we make mistakes. i also dont think too many americans believe this way also.
If so - are they not proud of their country or they don't think mistakes have been made?
06 Sep 04
Originally posted by Brother EdwinOne advantage of pride in your country is you are judged as an individual by the actions of your country. Feeling shame on behalf of your nation is one form of pressure from citizens on their leaders and fellow citizens.
If your a christian we all came from Eadan so who cares where we live now. If your a athesit we all originated from Africa so who cares where we live now. Or if you look at it another way we had no say/contributation to anything our ancesters did so we cant take pride/responsibility/shame for it. All in all there is no point in pride in our country.
I imagine there are few people feeling pride in being from Chechyna this week.
06 Sep 04
Originally posted by Brother EdwinYou may not have built your country, but it is your country now. What are you doing with it? It is true that the U.S. of A. has a bloody past . It is also true that the wealthy own the U.S. . It is more their country than it is mine.
If your a christian we all came from Eadan so who cares where we live now. If your a athesit we all originated from Africa so who cares where we live now. Or if you look at it another way we had no say/contributation to anything our ancesters did so we cant take pride/responsibility/shame for it. All in all there is no point in pride in our country.
06 Sep 04
Originally posted by Brother EdwinHow many died in 2 world wars ,for your freedom to say what you just said?Lest we forget.I only ask that you remember.
If your a christian we all came from Eadan so who cares where we live now. If your a athesit we all originated from Africa so who cares where we live now. Or if you look at it another way we had no say/contributation to anything our ancesters did so we cant take pride/responsibility/shame for it. All in all there is no point in pride in our country.
06 Sep 04
Originally posted by telerionWith all due respect, you are ignorant! The singer is Lee Greenwood, and if you don't know what is to be proud to be an American, I invite you on a Caribbean patrol aboard a Coast Guard Cutter picking up thousands of Haitians, Dominicans, and Cubans to get a feel to know what it "really" means to be an American...you probably have no clue...did you grow up in affluent suburbia, have all the perks of upperclass Americana? If so, I can understand your attitude. Ever worn the military uniform of "your?" country? Ever been to a third-world country? a communist one? one controlled by the Taliban? Again, if not, I can understand your attitude 'cause I see it all the time especially at UC Berkley...🙄 ðŸ˜
When I think of "rampant nationalism," I think of Kenny Rogers.
"I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free . . ."
(blah blah blah, propaganda, bad music, ignorance, blah blah blah)
06 Sep 04
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Originally posted by Brother EdwinThen have pride in your country's men, women and children, especially Winston Churchill, who stood firm during the onslaught of what is called "The Battle of Britain" as they braved the bombs while a few of your pilots fought off the most pwerful airforce (Luftwaffe) in the world. Chuchill's famous words: "Never in the field of human conflict has so much been owed by so many to so few" is worth a little of your time to research and learn about. If you can't muster pride in being British, at least muster the courage to seek out some of your Nation's veterans and thank them for what they did on your behalf in preventing Hitler from ransacking London...Cheers 😉
Im thankfull to them, but I cant take pride in it seeing as it wasant me who did anything.
07 Sep 04
Originally posted by chancremechanicI have read more than a few of your posts, chancre, and coming from you I can only smile. Thank you for the correction though. Lee Greenwood everybody. Sounds like Kenny Rogers, but then those country artists all sound the same right? 🙂
With all due respect, you are ignorant! The singer is Lee Greenwood, and if you don't know what is to be proud to be an American, I invite you on a Caribbean patrol aboard a Coast Guard Cutter picking up thousands of Haitians, Dominicans, and Cubans to get a feel to know what it "really" means to be an American...you probably have no clue...did y ...[text shortened]... , I can understand your attitude 'cause I see it all the time especially at UC Berkley...🙄 ðŸ˜
Man you clearly have some issues against a certain demographic in the US. FYI, no I am not from that segment of society. And yes I have been to a "third-world" country. No never a communist one. No I have not been to Afghanistan. Really, let's not getting into a silly pissing contest.
Nevertheless the volatile bravado of your post does, I think, very nicely illustrate the sort of smug, in-your-face attitude that critics of nationalism view so negatively.
07 Sep 04
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Originally posted by telerionYeah, well, Nationalism is one of many ingredients that make this country great, along with respect for what veterans (like me) have done to allow you and I to pursue our goals of success and happiness. When you bad mouth the US as you did in your previous post, and you have every right to as a citizen, you kick dirt in the face of every American serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, and in essence it is "your" smug, in-your-face anti-Americanistic attitude that critics of left-wing, Michael Moron wannabes view so negatively....but that's OK, you keep studying for your advanced degree in Economics in the relative comfort of your protective enclave while brave soldiers and Marines die in order to prevent a dictator or government from telling you that you are not allowed to voice disdain for your country....😲
I have read more than a few of your posts, chancre, and coming from you I can only smile. Thank you for the correction though. Lee Greenwood everybody. Sounds like Kenny Rogers, but then those country artists all sound the same right? : ...[text shortened]... ur-face attitude that critics of nationalism view so negatively.
07 Sep 04
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Originally posted by chancremechanic😀
Yeah, well, Nationalism is one of many ingredients that make this country great, along with respect for what veterans (like me) have done to allow you and I to pursue our goals of success and happiness. When you bad mouth the US as ...[text shortened]... u that you are not allowed to voice disdain for your country....😲
Chancre, I think you are being overly-sensitive. I didn't bad-mouth the US. If I bad-mouthed anything, it was zealous nationalism, the kind of blindingly patriotic rhetoric that is both vacuous, divisive.
IMHO you should also be a bit more careful about throwing your service record into your arguements. As I pointed out in my last post, you clearly do not know me, my situation, my family, or my experiences. What if I were a veteran? How about one of my family members? I think you should be careful lest you take something as honorable as serving in your country's military and drag it down by flaunting it in a forum discussion.
And yes I will keep studying; thanks for the encouragement 😉 . You can keep the guilt complex though. I won't be needing it.