Primer on Birtright Citizenship

@AverageJoe1 said
Logic? Well then, how is this logical.
A woman who illegally enters this country is. without question, NOT a citizen of this country,.
3 months later, she births a person (baby) that IS?…IS …. IS a citizen of this country. Mama is, baby ain’t.???
An apple tree hardly can fruit out pears, it can only bear apples.
Crazy huh.

Yes, another dumb post by AvJoe.

You never disappoint, man.

@AverageJoe1 said
Logic? Well then, how is this logical.
A woman who illegally enters this country is. without question, NOT a citizen of this country,.
3 months later, she births a person (baby) that IS?…IS …. IS a citizen of this country. Mama is, baby ain’t.???
An apple tree hardly can fruit out pears, it can only bear apples.
Crazy huh.

More like Mama ain't, baby is.

What the hell is wrong with you?

You guys just continue to prove how stupid you really are.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
“Now all you have to do is present evidence that the authors of the 14th Amendment meant them and their children to be not made citizens by the relevant clause contained therein”

The 14th amendment is the evidence dumbass! 😂

Another post showing us all why you have been dubbed "Irony Man".

@AverageJoe1 said
@no1marauder
You are a silly goose.
"Illegal aliens" is a MODERN term, ....there was no legal category ike today's 'illegal immigrant'. You are wrong right out of the gaete. There were not immigration systems or restrictions.
The framers of the civil rights act of 1866 and the 14th amendment were not thinking in modern illegal vs legal immigrant terms… That framewo ...[text shortened]... legally smuggled" you say. To be illegal, you must e breaking a law. What law, and, who broke it?

Nuh-UH!! is not 'debate'.

@Suzianne said
Jurisdiction has NOTHING to do with allegiance.

Jurisdiction means "Can you be arrested by the government for breaking a law?" If yes, then you are under the jurisdiction of said government.

Allegiance is loyalty, devotion, or faithfulness owed to a person, group, cause, or country. It represents a firm commitment or duty, often in a formal sense, such as a citizen’s ...[text shortened]... d country, because it is not necessarily included in citizenship.

Dim bulbs, the lot of you, Joe.

But Sue, if you had read my post, I said this>>>
Two of the principal authors quoted the subject "jurisdiction it means not owing allegiance to someone else". How on earth is this an automatic grant of birthright citizenship to the children of illegal aliens?

So, who we gonna believe? You? Sue? You just say stuff, man.

@Suzianne said
Another post showing us all why you have been dubbed "Irony Man".

Who has control over who becomes a citizen of the US?

@Mott-The-Hoople said
Who has control over who becomes a citizen of the US?

Certainly not the President by royal edict.

@AverageJoe1 said
But Sue, if you had read my post, I said this>>>
Two of the principal authors quoted the subject "jurisdiction it means not owing allegiance to someone else". How on earth is this an automatic grant of birthright citizenship to the children of illegal aliens?

So, who we gonna believe? You? Sue? You just say stuff, man.

Read the 14th Amendment, Section 1.

Fourteenth Amendment

Section 1

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

It says what they meant. Plain English.

jurisdiction, noun
"the official power to make legal decisions and judgments."

And jurisdiction does NOT mean "not owing allegiance to someone else."

You shoot your own argument in the foot.


You say "aliens aren't under our jurisdiction because they owe allegiance to someone else".

Then why you want to arrest them so damned bad? Are they under our jurisdiction or are they not? You cannot arrest anyone who is not under our jurisdiction, fool. You go to another country on holiday and you are under their jurisdiction as long as you are in country, and you can be arrested under their laws if you break those laws. This is what a country's sovereignty is all about.

You wanting to arrest them (and having the jurisdiction to do so) means that if they have a kid here, then that child IS a citizen of the US, because of the 14th Amendment. Period. Period.

You cannot have it both ways, cretin.

@no1marauder said
Certainly not the President by royal edict.

WHO does have the authority?

@Mott-The-Hoople said
Who has control over who becomes a citizen of the US?

Control?


And you freaks claim you're not about control. It's all you think about.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
WHO does have the authority?

It's called the US Constitution.

Read it some time.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
WHO does have the authority?

The Congress sets naturalization rules, but the Constitution requires birthright citizenship.

So, ultimately, the People.

@no1marauder said
The Congress sets naturalization rules, but the Constitution requires birthright citizenship.

So, ultimately, the People.

The US has no control, (zero) over people birthing children while here illegally. ZERO…illegal lawbreakers have all the control.

The constitution was only referring to freed slaves.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
The US has no control, (zero) over people birthing children while here illegally. ZERO…illegal lawbreakers have all the control.

The constitution was only referring to freed slaves.

It doesn't say that.

Why are you guys total strangers to the obvious?

You really should read the document someday.

@Suzianne said
Read the 14th Amendment, Section 1.

Fourteenth Amendment

Section 1

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall a ...[text shortened]... US, because of the 14th Amendment. Period. Period.

You cannot have it both ways, cretin.

Oh, sue
I now interject the meaning (that you put forth) of the word jurisdiction in place of the 'word' jurisdiction into that phrase. Here we go.......

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the OFFICIAL POWER TO MAKE LEGAL DECISIONS AND JUDGEMENTS thereof, are citizens of the United States...'

THIS is what you are saying. I ,avjoe , submit that the paragraph makes no sense.