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@Suzianne saidthe constitution says "subject to the jurisdiction"
It doesn't say that.
Why are you guys total strangers to the obvious?
You really should read the document someday.
What jurisdiction did the US have over illegal aliens ? Being subject to our laws isnt jurisdiction, everyone in the world is subject to our laws while on our soil.
Are illegal aliens qualified to serve on juries? Qualified to hold elected office?
No they are not because the US doesnt have jurisdiction over them.
birthright citizenship is controlled entirely by criminals the way it is now. Our constitution never intended that, it was to deal with the slave issue
@Mott-The-Hoople saidA) The 14th Amendment doesn't refer to the parents at all;
The US has no control, (zero) over people birthing children while here illegally. ZERO…illegal lawbreakers have all the control.
The constitution was only referring to freed slaves.
B) The authors knew what the words "all persons" meant and means.
Try reading the text.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidThis is why we shouldn't let you fools vote. Or at the very least, we should mandate your education so that you can be a contributing member of society. You know, instead of voting for tyrants.
the constitution says "subject to the jurisdiction"
What jurisdiction did the US have over illegal aliens ? Being subject to our laws isnt jurisdiction, everyone in the world is subject to our laws while on our soil.
Are illegal aliens qualified to serve on juries? Qualified to hold elected office?
No they are not because the US doesnt have jurisdiction over ...[text shortened]... iminals the way it is now. Our constitution never intended that, it was to deal with the slave issue
"Being subject to our laws isnt jurisdiction, everyone in the world is subject to our laws while on our soil."
That is exactly what jurisdiction IS. You never paid attention in English class, did you? Vocabulary is important. We do not have jurisdiction beyond our borders, except for territories. Yes, of course we have jurisdiction over everyone in this country except for foreign diplomats. And this means we all follow its laws or be arrested. One of those laws is, if you happen to be born here, you are a citizen, ipso facto, because of the 14th Amendment.
Damn, man, just read it. It's not that hard to understand, unless you worship Donald Trump.
And for your further edification, no, aliens are not qualified to serve on juries or to hold elected office because they are not citizens. What is so hard about this for you?
And stop speaking to me about your fantasies of control. Our Constitution means what it says, nothing more, nothing less. And you are definitely trying to make it less (except for your precious 2nd Amendment).
@Mott-The-Hoople saidIf we didn't have power over illegal aliens we could not capture them as illegals, did you forget the part where the constitution says EVERYONE is subject to jurisdiction and your pathetic attempt at a rebuttal is just YOU re puking what TRUMP originally puked out and NOBODY is going to stop birthright citizenship no matter how many mewling MAGATES say other wise BECAUSE you are only repeating your Lord and Master Trump.
the constitution says "subject to the jurisdiction"
What jurisdiction did the US have over illegal aliens ? Being subject to our laws isnt jurisdiction, everyone in the world is subject to our laws while on our soil.
Are illegal aliens qualified to serve on juries? Qualified to hold elected office?
No they are not because the US doesnt have jurisdiction over ...[text shortened]... iminals the way it is now. Our constitution never intended that, it was to deal with the slave issue
BTW, some poles are showing Trump thrashing around at negative 22 %, in other words, 78% of US citizens say he has gone WAY too far, running his campaign on 'NO MORE WARS, NO MORE REGIME CHANGES"
So much for the promises made by your lord and Masterbater Trump
@AverageJoe1 saidAndrew Jackson the 7th president of the USA would like a chat. He really likes your point of view and thinks you could go far reinforcing the view of the superiority of the white races. He wouldn't even call you a fascist. He would simply think of you as kin.
This was aimed at the former slaves, their family, their children, their future children, and the black code in the southern states that were preventing the implementation of equal rights and citizenship and such citizens of every race and color.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidCongress with the President's permission by Amendment to the Constitution
WHO does have the authority?
@AThousandYoung saidThe President's permission is unnecessary:
Congress with the President's permission by Amendment to the Constitution
"A presidential veto is the power to refuse to approve a bill passed by Congress, preventing it from becoming law unless overridden. This authority, from Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution, is a check on the legislative branch in ordinary lawmaking. However, this power does not extend to constitutional amendments, and the president cannot veto a proposed amendment passed by Congress.
This principle was established in the Supreme Court case Hollingsworth v. Virginia (1798). The Court ruled that presidential approval is not necessary for a constitutional amendment because proposing one is not an act of ordinary legislation. It is an expression of the sovereign will of the people to alter their own frame of government.
Because an amendment is different from a statute, the procedures in Article V are separate from the legislative process in Article I. Article V outlines a complete process that does not include presentment to the president for a signature or veto. Once Congress proposes an amendment, it goes directly to the states for ratification."
https://legalclarity.org/can-the-president-introduce-ratify-or-veto-an-amendment/
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@no1marauder saidSo it requires the permission of all 50 States but not the President?
The President's permission is unnecessary:
"A presidential veto is the power to refuse to approve a bill passed by Congress, preventing it from becoming law unless overridden. This authority, from Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution, is a check on the legislative branch in ordinary lawmaking. However, this power does not extend to constitutional amendments, [b]and ...[text shortened]... ratification."
https://legalclarity.org/can-the-president-introduce-ratify-or-veto-an-amendment/
EDIT Or is ratification a 'rubber stamp'?
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@AThousandYoung saidWhat's up bro, hope you've been well.
Haven't seen you in a while viv!
I was trying to avoid politics; not just U.S. but all global politics. Altered my social media algorithms to have all news outlets filtered out.
Even so, some stories still leak through. I'd have weeks of zero news stories, then boom: Trump kidnaps Venezuelan president. Zero news then boom: Ayatollah murdered.
I need to stop avoiding the world though. So I decided to visit this site; surprised that activity slowed down so much that 2 forums (Culture and Sports) no longer exist.
@vivify saidYou got all the good news though.
What's up bro, hope you've been well.
I was trying to avoid politics; not just U.S. but all global politics. Altered my social media algorithms to have all news outlets filtered out.
Even so, some stories still leak through. I'd have weeks of zero news stories, then boom: Trump kidnaps Venezuelan president. Zero news then boom: Ayatollah murdered.
I need to sto ...[text shortened]... ite; surprised that activity slowed down so much that 2 forums (Culture and Sports) no longer exist.
.. ..Trump kidnaps Venezuelan president. ... Ayatollah murdered.
The world is a better place.