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  1. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    30 Dec '16 04:35
    Join the dots sheeple! Trump is the express train to your final enslavement. Freedom is nothing more than a commodity now, where your experience of it is proportional to your level of wealth. That great document of the people, the American Constitution lays in ruins, as the rights and freedoms enshrined for all no longer provide any protection for the common man against the rich and the powerful. 2008 really laid things bare for you and if you did not notice you should have finally realized that this capitalism idea actually only works in theory because when it hits the fan, wealth gets privatized, skimmed off the top into the hands of the few, while debt is socialized into the hands of the masses as the great majority is forced to bare the burden of loss brought on by the malfeasance and greed of the few.

    So unless you haven't noticed Wall St equals Gosplan and Congress equals the Politburo. Amerika you have been communised!
  2. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    30 Dec '16 04:48 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Join the dots sheeple! Trump is the express train to your final enslavement. Freedom is nothing more than a commodity now, where your experience of it is proportional to your level of wealth. That great document of the people, the American Constitution lays in ruins, as the rights and freedoms enshrined for all no longer provide any protection for the common ...[text shortened]... iced Wall St equals Gosplan and Congress equals the Politburo. Amerika you have been communised!
    American's need more Yoga, Chess, and Tea. Less TV and political bickering.
  3. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    30 Dec '16 04:48
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Join the dots sheeple! Trump is the express train to your final enslavement. Freedom is nothing more than a commodity now, where your experience of it is proportional to your level of wealth. That great document of the people, the American Constitution lays in ruins, as the rights and freedoms enshrined for all no longer provide any protection for the common ...[text shortened]... iced Wall St equals Gosplan and Congress equals the Politburo. Amerika you have been communised!
    This is yet a little early.

    Wait a few years for the long-awaited Constitutional Convention.
  4. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    30 Dec '16 05:21
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Join the dots sheeple! Trump is the express train to your final enslavement. Freedom is nothing more than a commodity now, where your experience of it is proportional to your level of wealth. That great document of the people, the American Constitution lays in ruins, as the rights and freedoms enshrined for all no longer provide any protection for the common ...[text shortened]... iced Wall St equals Gosplan and Congress equals the Politburo. Amerika you have been communised!
    Excuse me, sir!
    You are referring to state-capitalism, not communism.

    Yes, I know Stalin called it communism, but just because one mad dictator shouts something, doesn't make it so!
  5. 30 Dec '16 05:43
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Excuse me, sir!
    You are referring to state-capitalism, not communism.

    Yes, I know Stalin called it communism, but just because one mad dictator shouts something, doesn't make it so!
    So you the the Chinese got it right?
  6. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    30 Dec '16 05:57
    Originally posted by Eladar
    So you the the Chinese got it right?
    Given the trillions China owns in US treasuries, ...er...yup!
  7. 30 Dec '16 06:28
    http://americanpolicy.org/1999/03/29/the-failure-of-congress-to-challenge-clintons-executive-orders/
  8. 30 Dec '16 06:29
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Given the trillions China owns in US treasuries, ...er...yup!
    So the Chinese are true communists?
  9. 30 Dec '16 07:15 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://americanpolicy.org/1999/03/29/the-failure-of-congress-to-challenge-clintons-executive-orders/
    You evil leftists and your plans to destroy the US. Looks like you are well on your way to victory with your stooge supporters like sh on the right
  10. 30 Dec '16 10:28
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Given the trillions China owns in US treasuries, ...er...yup!
    Chinese investors hold about 5% of U.S. debt, most of which is held by Americans.
  11. 30 Dec '16 12:52
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    This is yet a little early.

    Wait a few years for the long-awaited Constitutional Convention.
    Constitutional Convention?

    The Constitution is sooo yesterday.

    All you have to do now is write EO's and ignore laws.

    Besides, what is there to pass? Ban guns? Take all personal wealth away?

    Other than that, you already live in your utopia.
  12. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    30 Dec '16 13:14
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Chinese investors hold about 5% of U.S. debt, most of which is held by Americans.
    True, but if you only look at foreign debt, then China nudges close to a third of US debt. This has interesting repercussions in terms of how the Chinese can manipulate their currency to always make their goods more attractive to Americans than American made goods. America also has China tied into its (America's) health, because if they dumped their American debt causing the Dollar to tank, their Treasury bonds and other notes become worthless. So its an interesting dance between the two nations as China is forced in its manipulations to maintain the value of the US dollar to ensure that the debt owed them does not shrink over time. Its an interesting race to the bottom.
  13. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    30 Dec '16 13:41
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://americanpolicy.org/1999/03/29/the-failure-of-congress-to-challenge-clintons-executive-orders/
    The question though is, would cutting down forests at an increasing rate, and clearing more land for beef production with the inevitable species depletion and ecosystem vandalism that brings be a better way forward? Would burning more fossil fuels to run bigger refrigerator systems in bigger malls and bigger homes such that if all the world lived like that you would need 3 or 4 earth's worth of resources to make it happen be the answer?

    Surely the absence of a ruling or guiding principle is nothing more than an abrogation of responsibility. Failure to plan is planning to fail and nothing more than an invitation for continued anarchic exploitation of natural resources that delivers short term benefits while mortgaging the future of the planet and our children's enjoyment of the fresh air and fresh clean water we take for granted. Is profit at any cost a long term viable way of life?
  14. 30 Dec '16 17:22
    Originally posted by kmax87
    The question though is, would cutting down forests at an increasing rate, and clearing more land for beef production with the inevitable species depletion and ecosystem vandalism that brings be a better way forward? Would burning more fossil fuels to run bigger refrigerator systems in bigger malls and bigger homes such that if all the world lived like that yo ...[text shortened]... nd fresh clean water we take for granted. Is profit at any cost a long term viable way of life?
    The question is if the people make the decision or is it being forced upon them? Pure and utter servitude of the US population without a voice.
  15. 30 Dec '16 17:55
    Originally posted by kmax87
    True, but if you only look at foreign debt, then China nudges close to a third of US debt. This has interesting repercussions in terms of how the Chinese can manipulate their currency to always make their goods more attractive to Americans than American made goods. America also has China tied into its (America's) health, because if they dumped their American ...[text shortened]... nsure that the debt owed them does not shrink over time. Its an interesting race to the bottom.
    What do you mean by "dumping American debt"? Selling it? Or not buying new bonds when they mature? None of these are really an issue on the short term for the U.S. Treasury.

    Institutional investors are usually tied to investing in things with a certain risk associated to them. That's why bond yields have gone down so much - investors look for low-risk assets and end up buying bonds. Now, these investors could also go for even safer bonds (say, German ones) but that would also mean lower yields.