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  1. Standard memberfinnegan
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    14 Apr '16 21:23
    Originally posted by Teinosuke
    In fact it seems that the term was coined for one of these non-marital hostesses!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Lady#History_of_use_in_the_USA

    "Harriet Lane, niece of bachelor President James Buchanan, was the first woman to be called first lady while actually serving in that position. The phrase appeared in Frank Leslie's Illustrated Monthly i ...[text shortened]... e Harriet Lane was called first lady, the term was applied retrospectively to her predecessors."
    http://uspolitics.about.com/od/gaymarriage/a/Why-Barack-Obama-Was-Called-The-First-Gay-President.htm
  2. Zugzwang
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    14 Apr '16 21:381 edit
    Originally posted by Teinosuke
    In fact it seems that the term was coined for one of these non-marital hostesses!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Lady#History_of_use_in_the_USA

    "Harriet Lane, niece of bachelor President James Buchanan, was the first woman to be called first lady while actually serving in that position. The phrase appeared in Frank Leslie's Illustrated Monthly i ...[text shortened]... e Harriet Lane was called first lady, the term was applied retrospectively to her predecessors."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Lady_of_the_United_States

    "The First Lady of the United States (FLOTUS) is an unofficial title and position traditionally
    held by the wife of the president, concurrent with his term of office. Historically, if a
    president is not married, or if the president's wife is unable to act as First Lady,
    the president usually asks a female relative or friend to act as White House hostess."
    --Wikipedia

    This statement implies a distinction between a 'First Lady' and a 'White House hostess'.

    "The title first gained nationwide recognition in 1877, when newspaper journalist Mary C Ames
    referred to Lucy Webb Hayes as 'the First Lady of the Land'"
    --Wikipedia
  3. The Catbird's Seat
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    14 Apr '16 21:51
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    The only requirement is being married to the US President.
    Mark down this day. Norm agrees with Duchess64! Why. Because she is right.
  4. The Catbird's Seat
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    14 Apr '16 21:54
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    In 1960 how many Americans voted for JFK rather than Richard Nixon only because they
    believed that Jackie Kennedy would be a more glamorous First Lady than Pat Nixon?
    If appearance was important, I think they thought Jack was more handsome than Dick.
  5. Zugzwang
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    16 Apr '16 18:10
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Lady_of_the_United_States

    "The First Lady of the United States (FLOTUS) is an unofficial title and position traditionally
    held by the wife of the president, concurrent with his term of office. Historically, if a
    president is not married, or if the president's wife is unable to act as First Lady,
    the president usual ...[text shortened]... urnalist Mary C Ames
    referred to Lucy Webb Hayes as 'the First Lady of the Land'"
    --Wikipedia
    There may be a distinction between *being* a First Lady and *acting* as a First Lady.

    Let's suppose that the President's wife gets shot and ends up in a coma. Obviously,
    she's no longer capable of *acting* as the First Lady, performing as a White House hostess.
    But it would be extremely ungracious, I believe, to say that she no longer *is* the First Lady,
    being deprived of her (unofficial) title by a bullet. So I would submit that she should still
    be considered the First Lady, even though she's no longer capable of acting the role.
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