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  1. Subscriber moonbus
    Uber-Nerd
    13 Apr '16 18:42
    Please state the qualifications of the following people for the position of First Lady/Husband:

    Melania Trump:
    1. She speaks at least one foreign language fluently.
    2. She looks terrific in an evening gown.
    3. She looks terrific not in an evening gown.
    4.


    Bill Clinton:
    1. He already knows which Korea is on our side.
    2. He already knows the protocol for entertaining visiting dignitaries.
    3. He already knows the protocol for entertaining White House interns.
    4.
  2. 13 Apr '16 19:51 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by moonbus
    Please state the qualifications of the following people for the position of First Lady/Husband:

    Melania Trump:
    1. She speaks at least one foreign language fluently.
    2. She looks terrific in an evening gown.
    3. She looks terrific not in an evening gown.
    4.


    Bill Clinton:
    1. He already knows which Korea is on our side.
    2. He already knows the prot ...[text shortened]... isiting dignitaries.
    3. He already knows the protocol for entertaining White House interns.
    4.
    The only requirement is being married to the US President.
  3. Subscriber moonbus
    Uber-Nerd
    14 Apr '16 05:35
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    The only requirement is being married to the US President.
    Some First Ladies fulfill the role better than others. American voters might want to consider this when they cast their ballots.
  4. Standard member vivify
    rain
    14 Apr '16 11:55 / 1 edit
    There's no question Clinton would be the greatest first-spouse in history, rivaled only buy Eva Peron.
  5. 14 Apr '16 16:08
    Originally posted by moonbus
    Some First Ladies fulfill the role better than others. American voters might want to consider this when they cast their ballots.
    And what is 'the role' that they are supposed to fill? If the suitability of the candidates spouse to fill a largely ceremonial role is a serious consideration in your vote, then there is something seriously wrong with your decision making process. Are the candidates policies so similar that you can't tell them apart?
  6. 14 Apr '16 16:09
    Originally posted by vivify
    There's no question Clinton would be the greatest first-spouse in history, rivaled only buy Eva Peron.
    I hope you mean 'american history'? Either that, or you need to study some history.
  7. Standard member vivify
    rain
    14 Apr '16 17:49
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    I hope you mean 'american history'? Either that, or you need to study some history.
    If you hoped I meant American history after mentioning Eva Peron, I suggest you start studying history now.
  8. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    14 Apr '16 17:51
    Technically Argentina is part of America.
  9. 14 Apr '16 18:57 / 4 edits
    Originally posted by moonbus
    Some First Ladies fulfill the role better than others. American voters might want to consider this when they cast their ballots.
    If that trivial consideration is as important to American voters as it is apparently to the silly Moonbus,
    then Moonbus should consider exhorting the elected US President (if married) to divorce
    his or her spouse and promptly marry a more suitable 'First Lady' as chosen by popular vote (sarcasm).

    Does Moonbus believe that James Buchanan would have been a better US President if he had been married?
    (His niece served as the official hostess at the White House.) Some historical writers believe that
    James Buchanan (who enjoyed an apparent intimate friendship with another man) was homosexual or bisexual.
    .
  10. 14 Apr '16 20:20 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead to Moonbus
    And what is 'the role' that they are supposed to fill? If the suitability of the candidates spouse to fill a largely ceremonial role is a serious consideration in your vote, then there is something seriously wrong with your decision making process. Are the candidates policies so similar that you can't tell them apart?
    In 1960 how many Americans voted for JFK rather than Richard Nixon only because they
    believed that Jackie Kennedy would be a more glamorous First Lady than Pat Nixon?
  11. 14 Apr '16 20:38 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Does Moonbus believe that James Buchanan would have been a better US President if he had been married?
    (His niece served as the official hostess at the White House.) Some historical writers believe that
    James Buchanan (who enjoyed an apparent intimate friendship with another man) was homosexual or bisexual.
    .
    There have been a number of other cases where the First Lady was not the President's wife, as while Buchanan was the only president never to marry, several others were widowers (and Cleveland married while in office). On those occasions the role was filled by sisters, daughters or daughters-in-law of the sitting President. This occurred most recently in 1914-15, when Woodrow Wilson's daughter Margaret was official White House hostess in the interval between the death of his first wife and his remarriage.
  12. 14 Apr '16 21:14
    Originally posted by Teinosuke
    There have been a number of other cases where the First Lady was not the President's wife, as while Buchanan was the only president never to marry, several others were widowers (and Cleveland married while in office). On those occasions the role was filled by sisters, daughters or daughters-in-law of the sitting President. This occurred most recently in 19 ...[text shortened]... cial White House hostess in the interval between the death of his first wife and his remarriage.
    Referring to this thread's title, however, was the White House hostess, *if* not married
    to the President, known as the 'First Lady'? (A question of title rather than function.)

    Hitler did not get married until shortly before he and Eva Braun committed suicide.
    Emmy Goering (nee Sonnemann), a former actress who married Hermann Goering
    (second marriage for both), liked to call herself 'First Lady of the Third Reich' as she
    served Hitler as his hostess at many state functions.
  13. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    14 Apr '16 21:14
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    If that trivial consideration is as important to American voters as it is apparently to the silly Moonbus,
    then Moonbus should consider exhorting the elected US President (if married) to divorce
    his or her spouse and promptly marry a more suitable 'First Lady' as chosen by popular vote (sarcasm).

    Does Moonbus believe that James Buchanan would have bee ...[text shortened]... an (who enjoyed an apparent intimate friendship with another man) was homosexual or bisexual.
    .
    A special series of The Apprentice?
  14. 14 Apr '16 21:16
    Originally posted by finnegan
    A special series of The Apprentice?
    Well, Donald Trump has shown his practice of replacing his wives with newer models.
  15. 14 Apr '16 21:18
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Referring to this thread's title, however, was the White House hostess, *if* not married
    to the President, known as the 'First Lady'? (A question of title rather than function.)
    In fact it seems that the term was coined for one of these non-marital hostesses!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Lady#History_of_use_in_the_USA

    "Harriet Lane, niece of bachelor President James Buchanan, was the first woman to be called first lady while actually serving in that position. The phrase appeared in Frank Leslie's Illustrated Monthly in 1860, when he wrote, "The Lady of the White House, and by courtesy, the First Lady of the Land." Once Harriet Lane was called first lady, the term was applied retrospectively to her predecessors."