@bunnyknight saidSounds simple but powerful greedy people do not work that way.
Simply divide up the land equally among all families so they can build their home and grow their veggies, and nobody will ever need any free stuff.
Ask the people in Cuba that listened to Fidel pre revolution when he promised that he would liberate the mineral mines for the people. They believed him. Fidel liberated the mines, and he kept them and became very rich in the land of poverty. That's how it really works.
The people in Cuba are hardly content with their new lot in life. Ask them.
@earl-of-trumps saidI have on my past two trips to Cuba.
Ask them.
When were you last there? Where did you stay?
@earl-of-trumps saidCuba was under control of organized crime while the locals were left with not even a pot to piss in, till things got so bad that the people revolted and took back their land from the gangsters.
Sounds simple but powerful greedy people do not work that way.
Ask the people in Cuba that listened to Fidel pre revolution when he promised that he would liberate the mineral mines for the people. They believed him. Fidel liberated the mines, and he kept them and became very rich in the land of poverty. That's how it really works.
The people in Cuba are hardly content with their new lot in life. Ask them.
Considering that Cuba has been squeezed, sanctioned, bashed and abused by an all-powerful neighbor that answers to no one, they've done amazingly well for themselves.
How long do you think the US would survive if it were sanctioned for decades? 1 month without coffee and bananas, and Americans would go insane.
@bunnyknight saidBunnyknight, don't take me wrong. Baptista was no damn good and his government deserved to be beaten out via revolution.
Cuba was under control of organized crime while the locals were left with not even a pot to piss in, till things got so bad that the people revolted and took back their land from the gangsters.
Considering that Cuba has been squeezed, sanctioned, bashed and abused by an all-powerful neighbor that answers to no one, they've done amazingly well for themselves.
How long do ...[text shortened]... it were sanctioned for decades? 1 month without coffee and bananas, and Americans would go insane.
But what happened was, the Cuban revolutionaries fell out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Many Cubans have left Cuba by making daring escapes. Miami alone has over one million Cubans. Not a nice place to live.
@earl-of-trumps saidI've never been to Miami.
Bunnyknight, don't take me wrong. Baptista was no damn good and his government deserved to be beaten out via revolution.
But what happened was, the Cuban revolutionaries fell out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Many Cubans have left Cuba by making daring escapes. Miami alone has over one million Cubans. Not a nice place to live.
But why is it not a nice place to live ?
You made that statement with some level of conviction.
@earl-of-trumps saidCubans were arriving in US long before Castro took power.
Many Cubans have left Cuba by making daring escapes. Miami alone has over one million Cubans. Not a nice place to live.
About 5,000 a year escaped Cuba for Miami in the two decades after the Revolution. Mainly educated and/or wealthy Cubans. Not a million!
The poor and uneducated enjoyed a much better life under Castro, which
would have been even better if not for America's grotesque trade embargo.
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@wolfgang59 saidHello, I myself, stayed at the Hotel Nationale. Full private tour group, met with architects, musicians, artists, politicians (such as they were) and other representative groups , very sad. Several here on the forum seem to speak favorably on their situations, when in fact they are very sad. Some of the local people we spoke with actually cry as they tell you what they would like to have. This was in 2018, I do not think much has changed since then. But, if you saw them, you might think it is a little too late now, very sad.
I have on my past two trips to Cuba.
When were you last there? Where did you stay?
@thelistener saidI was there in 2002 (Hotel Inglesia in Havana) & 2008 (Varadero).
Hello, I myself, stayed at the Hotel Nationale. Full private tour group, met with architects, musicians, artists, politicians (such as they were) and other representative groups , very sad. Several here on the forum seem to speak favorably on their situations, when in fact they are very sad. Some of the local people we spoke with actually cry as they tell you what they ...[text shortened]... as changed since then. But, if you saw them, you might think it is a little too late now, very sad.
People had mixed feelings.
The young in particular were unhappy.
The middle-aged were mainly very proud of Cuba and anti-American.
In 2008 we had atwo night stay in Havana, I think it was the Nacionale.
The standard of living is low but far from 3rd world.
Frequent power cuts were a problem.
@mghrn55 saidMiami is nice. I like it. Warm in the winter. And because it is coastal, it is not real hot in summer.
I've never been to Miami.
But why is it not a nice place to live ?
You made that statement with some level of conviction.
One time when I went there I stayed in the Coconut Grove section, a lot of Cubans there. They are good people.
@wolfgang59 saidQuit trying to pretend you know more about America than natives do. Your sources and figures are jilted.
Cubans were arriving in US long before Castro took power.
About 5,000 a year escaped Cuba for Miami in the two decades after the Revolution. Mainly educated and/or wealthy Cubans. Not a million!
The poor and uneducated enjoyed a much better life under Castro, which
would have been even better if not for America's grotesque trade embargo.
The majority of the 1,172,899 current Cuban exiles living in the United States live in Florida (917,033 in 2014), mainly in Miami-Dade County, where more than a third of the population is Cuban. Other exiles have relocated to form substantial Cuban communities in New York City (16,416), Louisville, KY (6,662), Houston, TX (6,233), Los Angeles (6,056), Union City, NJ (4,970) and others.[2]
917K in Miami. Sue me!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_exile
@thelistener saidWelcome in to RHP, thelistener
Hello, I myself, stayed at the Hotel Nationale. Full private tour group, met with architects, musicians, artists, politicians (such as they were) and other representative groups , very sad. Several here on the forum seem to speak favorably on their situations, when in fact they are very sad. Some of the local people we spoke with actually cry as they tell you what they ...[text shortened]... as changed since then. But, if you saw them, you might think it is a little too late now, very sad.
@earl-of-trumps saidYou still haven't answered my question about when you last visited Cuba.
Quit trying to pretend you know more about America than natives do. Your sources and figures are jilted.
And your figures about Cubans in US go back to pre-Castro days.
Have a think.
(Or ask someone to do it for you.)
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@wolfgang59 saidReally?
Cubans were arriving in US long before Castro took power.
About 5,000 a year escaped Cuba for Miami in the two decades after the Revolution. Mainly educated and/or wealthy Cubans. Not a million!
The poor and uneducated enjoyed a much better life under Castro, which
would have been even better if not for America's grotesque trade embargo.
Is the ability to move from your country a human right? In fact, is the ability to move within your country into Havana without getting fined by Castro because Castro did not like a crowded city a human right? Is it a human right to be gay? Is it a human right to be a JW who refuses to participate in government and buy into the Marxist BS or the military due to religious convictions?
Tell us, how much better did these people have it in Cuba than in Florida dolt?
What this shows us is what we already knew about the Left. They don't really care about gays, much like they ignore Islam's treatment of them as well as their treatment of women. No, they just mindlessly patronize them trying to convince them that they actually give a damn about them. That's because they don't care about people, only power, just like Castro and Bernie