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Is ranked choice voting a good idea?

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@mlb62
Yes. It would eliminate what I call "wasted vote syndrome".

Most people vote for candidates based on the polls. If their favorite candidate has lower poll numbers than others they often decide to vote for someone who is not their favorite. I don't do that, but that is because I realize my 1 vote is not going to determine who becomes president. No US presidential election has even been that close, not even the 2000 election.

Unfortunately, most people do not realize that and the corporate news media influenced people to falsely believe they should not waste their vote that is not really being wasted. Not voting for your favorite candidate is the real wasted vote.

Many voting machines have already been built with a ranked choice option. Dominion is a good example. ASOG did a forensic analysis of their machines in Antrim County Michigan and claimed Dominion machines had the ranked choice option turned on which screwed up the count. Dominion said that is a lie because it is "impossible" to turn on the ranked choice program. Yet Dominion chose not to sue ASOG for defamation. They chose to sue Fox and even though Tucker did not lie about Dominion Fox used the suit as an excuse to get rid of Tucker and keep Judge Pirro on Fox even though she was the main person Dominion blamed in their defamation lawsuit.

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@mlb62 said
Is ranked choice voting a good idea?
Yes.

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@mlb62 said
Is ranked choice voting a good idea?
yes

i can't believe americans ever thought it wasn't

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It means you place more than one vote, doesn’t it? And that you rank 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. ?

Considering most voters are too stupid to tie their own shoelaces, perhaps making things more complicated than “one red mark on the piece of paper” isn’t a smart move to make.

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https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting-information/#where-is-ranked-choice-voting-used

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@mlb62 said
Is ranked choice voting a good idea?
Yes. It is mathematically proven to result in a more preferred candidate winning as opposed to a less preferred one, on average.

Of course, this means Republicans are coming out against it with increasing vehemence.

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@metal-brain said
@shavixmir
https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting-information/#where-is-ranked-choice-voting-used
I'm not familiar with RCV ...so is it possible for the #2 candidate to actually win the election ? Say there are 4 candidates, using RCV , ALL the votes are tallied up and person #2 gets more votes (in total) but not necessarily the most votes in the number one slot. is this how it is in some countries ? 😲

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@mlb62 said
I'm not familiar with RCV ...so is it possible for the #2 candidate to actually win the election ? Say there are 4 candidates, using RCV , ALL the votes are tallied up and person #2 gets more votes (in total) but not necessarily the most votes in the number one slot. is this how it is in some countries ? 😲
A rundown is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_voting

And here:
https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting/

Also:
https://campaignlegal.org/democracyu/accountability/ranked-choice-voting

It's not a perfect system, but it is far, far superior to the "first past the post" method that prevails almost universally in the US.

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@soothfast said
Yes. It is mathematically proven to result in a more preferred candidate winning as opposed to a less preferred one, on average.

Of course, this means Republicans are coming out against it with increasing vehemence.
Let's name democrats and republicans that opposed it until one of us runs out of names. I'll go first. Gavin Newsom is a democrat.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Gavin-Newsom-vetoes-bill-to-allow-ranked-choice-14535193.php

Can you name a republican that was against it?

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@mlb62 said
I'm not familiar with RCV ...so is it possible for the #2 candidate to actually win the election ? Say there are 4 candidates, using RCV , ALL the votes are tallied up and person #2 gets more votes (in total) but not necessarily the most votes in the number one slot. is this how it is in some countries ? 😲
yes
especially in the US.

It would effectively allow third party candidates to run and even have a chance.

As an example, Cornel West is running for the Green Party. Biden, is running for the Dems, Trump, most likely, will be running for the republicans. If i was an american, I could not, in good conscience, vote for West, no matter how many times i consider him better than Biden, because i think Trump is way way worse than both.

With ranked voting, I can vote for West, signaling that i don't think Biden is adequate enough, content that if none of the candidates reaches the threshold, my vote will go to my second choice, Biden. With ranked voting Sanders will no longer have to just stay on the bench and he could run as an independent because he wouldn't be stealing votes


In democratic countries this isn't a problem. We always have runoff elections between 1st and second place and we vote on Saturdays and Sundays. US states hold elections on fukin tuesdays.

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@metal-brain said
Let's name democrats and republicans that opposed it until one of us runs out of names. I'll go first. Gavin Newsom is a democrat.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Gavin-Newsom-vetoes-bill-to-allow-ranked-choice-14535193.php

Can you name a republican that was against it?
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/3624553-republicans-rage-against-ranked-choice-voting-after-alaska-election/
“Ranked-choice voting is a scam to rig elections,” Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) tweeted after results from Alaska’s special election showing Peltola won Wednesday.

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Both parties are corrupt and opposed it.
Stop blaming one over the other. There is plenty of blame on both sides.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/both-parties-oppose-novembers-ranked-choice-ballot-initiative-2641440/

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@mlb62 said
Is ranked choice voting a good idea?
Most people want a third party. The problem is that this majority does not vote for their first choice. Most of that majority lets the polls dictate who they vote for.

https://www.newsweek.com/most-americans-regardless-political-alignment-want-third-party-1533033

Naturally, most people want ranked choice voting as well.

https://thefulcrum.us/Elections/Voting/ranked-choice-voting-survey

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