09 Jan 13
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Originally posted by dryhumpI'm glad you clarified that. I was about to come at you with the European Banana Regulation.
What is the point of regulations? Specifically gun control regulations. How's that JS357?
It is essential that we lay down laws which prevent us buying a banana less than 14cm in length and which has more than 4cm of bruising on a finger.
Edit: my mistake. You are allowed to sell bananas of 13cm in length, as long as this is only 10% of the bananas you sell. But 12cm and you are in deep trouble.
09 Jan 13
Originally posted by dryhumpDon't give the sedative Thalomid to pregnant mothers to counteract morning sickness. Don't have only one revolving door as an exit for a discotheque. Don't let lorry drivers drive for 12 hours at a stretch. Don't let just anyone own mortars, grenades, military flamethrowers, machine guns and rocket launchers. Don't let cafes and restaurants use dirty water to make ice. Don't let 1,000 people board a ferry designed for 400 passengers. Etc. etc. Do you really not see the point?
What is the point of regulations?
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09 Jan 13
Originally posted by dryhumpI think you can find reasons people have for regulations at places like Wikipedia.
What is the point of regulations? Specifically gun control regulations. How's that JS357?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation
Reasons given for specific statutory regulations are, I think, usually if not always, found in the statutes that underlie them. Of course there can be unstated reasons, too.
09 Jan 13
Originally posted by JS357Or, just... let the women try not be sick. Let the dancers dance, to hell with stuff like "the door". Let lorry drivers lorry-drive; let the market decide about their crashes. Let sociopaths and psychopaths buy what they want. Let the makers of iced drinks render you able to squirt blended stools through the eye of a needle. Let the Bangladeshis or the Filipinos drown. etc.
...of course there can be unstated reasons, too.
09 Jan 13
Originally posted by FMFDon't let anyone sell a bendy cucumber.
Don't give the sedative Thalomid to pregnant mothers to counteract morning sickness. Don't have only one revolving door as an exit for a discotheque. Don't let lorry drivers drive for 12 hours at a stretch. Don't let just anyone own mortars, grenades, military flamethrowers, machine guns and rocket launchers. Don't let cafes and restaurants use dirty water to ma ...[text shortened]... ople board a ferry designed for 400 passengers. Etc. etc. Do you really not see the point?
Ask people entering the US whether they intend to commit genocide whilst they are there.
But you make a fair point.
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think there may be some sensible regulations and some less than sensible regulations.
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09 Jan 13
Originally posted by Rank outsiderTake a group of people, put them on an island with limited resources that require cooperation to make useful, tell them there are no regulations, come back a month later, and there will be enforced regulations among the survivors. There will also be disagreements as to which regulations are sensible and which are not.
Don't let anyone sell a bendy cucumber.
Ask people entering the US whether they intend to commit genocide whilst they are there.
But you make a fair point.
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think there may be some sensible regulations and some less than sensible regulations.
09 Jan 13
Originally posted by FMFDo you know the difference between laws and regulations in US law?
Don't give the sedative Thalomid to pregnant mothers to counteract morning sickness. Don't have only one revolving door as an exit for a discotheque. Don't let lorry drivers drive for 12 hours at a stretch. Don't let just anyone own mortars, grenades, military flamethrowers, machine guns and rocket launchers. Don't let cafes and restaurants use dirty water to ma ...[text shortened]... ople board a ferry designed for 400 passengers. Etc. etc. Do you really not see the point?
09 Jan 13
Originally posted by JS357"I think, usually if not always, found in the statutes that underlie them."
I think you can find reasons people have for regulations at places like Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation
Reasons given for specific statutory regulations are, I think, usually if not always, found in the statutes that underlie them. Of course there can be unstated reasons, too.
There it is. A lot of law is passed in very unspecific manner, and bureaucracies write regulations to make the underlying statutes real. This really ought to make the laws void for vagueness.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/void_for_vagueness
Lawyer types don't like this, because they thrive in environments of unclearness.
In the case of the 2nd amendment, we have a totally clear and unambiguous Constitutional amendment, with no mention of being modified by regulation as is common in modern law.
09 Jan 13
Originally posted by JS357That describes the formation of a government. Usually, the more dire the circumstance, the more basis the rules.
Take a group of people, put them on an island with limited resources that require cooperation to make useful, tell them there are no regulations, come back a month later, and there will be enforced regulations among the survivors. There will also be disagreements as to which regulations are sensible and which are not.
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09 Jan 13
Originally posted by normbenign"There it is. A lot of law is passed in very unspecific manner, and bureaucracies write regulations to make the underlying statutes real. This really ought to make the laws void for vagueness."
"I think, usually if not always, found in the statutes that underlie them."
There it is. A lot of law is passed in very unspecific manner, and bureaucracies write regulations to make the underlying statutes real. This really ought to make the laws void for vagueness.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/void_for_vagueness
Lawyer types don't like this, b ...[text shortened]... tional amendment, with no mention of being modified by regulation as is common in modern law.
Do you think this should be remedied in the US and if so, how?
10 Jan 13
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Originally posted by FMFI like flamethrowers, machine guns, and rocket launchers. They're fun. Fun for Sasquatch!
Don't give the sedative Thalomid to pregnant mothers to counteract morning sickness. Don't have only one revolving door as an exit for a discotheque. Don't let lorry drivers drive for 12 hours at a stretch. Don't let just anyone own mortars, grenades, military flamethrowers, machine guns and rocket launchers. Don't let cafes and restaurants use dirty water to ma ople board a ferry designed for 400 passengers. Etc. etc. Do you really not see the point?
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10 Jan 13
Originally posted by sasquatch672A fascination with weapons, especially weapons used to kill people, is a trait associated with mass murderers, particularly the "pseudocommando" type. This is not just hooey, it is recognized fact.
I like flamethrowers, machine guns, and rocket launchers. They're fun. Fun for Sasquatch!
http://www.academia.edu/1199492/Hegemonic_Masculinity_and_Mass_Murderers_in_the_United_States
Southwest Journal of Criminal Justice vol 8(2)
10 Jan 13
Originally posted by JS357I would say it is more commonly a trait associated with people trying to compensate for something, akin to sports cars.
A fascination with weapons, especially weapons used to kill people, is a trait associated with mass murderers, particularly the "pseudocommando" type. This is not just hooey, it is recognized fact.
http://www.academia.edu/1199492/Hegemonic_Masculinity_and_Mass_Murderers_in_the_United_States
Southwest Journal of Criminal Justice vol 8(2)