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  1. 17 Oct '11 22:14
    Released today.

    Romney 26%
    Cain 25%
    Perry 13%
    Paul 9%
    Gingrich 8%
    Bachmann 6%
    Santorum 2%
    Huntsman 1%

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/10/17/oct17.poll.pdf


    I hope Cain or Perry (or even better Paul) gets the nomination, and thus ensures four more years for the President.
  2. 17 Oct '11 22:24
    Originally posted by moon1969
    Released today.

    Romney 26%
    Cain 25%
    Perry 13%
    Paul 9%
    Gingrich 8%
    Bachmann 6%
    Santorum 2%
    Huntsman 1%

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/10/17/oct17.poll.pdf


    I hope Cain or Perry (or even better Paul) gets the nomination, and thus ensures four more years for the President.
    Quite frankly, I don't see how Romney can run against his own health care plan and currently Rush Limbaugh is undermining him with the base, but he is the biggest "threat."
  3. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    17 Oct '11 23:13
    For Metalbrain.

    http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/2011/10/why-is-everybody-ignoring-ron-paul/
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    17 Oct '11 23:17
    Can and Romney are now in a virtual dead heat.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

    I hope (and think) that Cain is a mere flash in the pan and that Romney will emerge as front runner. Of course, it's still very early. 4 years ago at this time, it was almost a foregone conclusion that the 2008 election would be Hillary-Giuliani!
  5. 18 Oct '11 00:57
    Originally posted by sh76
    Can and Romney are now in a virtual dead heat.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

    I hope (and think) that Cain is a mere flash in the pan and that Romney will emerge as front runner. Of course, it's still very early. 4 years ago at this time, it was almost a foregone conclusion that the 2008 election would be Hillary-Giuliani!
    Maybe Santorum will overcome his google problem and become the candidate?
  6. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    18 Oct '11 01:22
    Originally posted by sh76
    Can and Romney are now in a virtual dead heat.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

    I hope (and think) that Cain is a mere flash in the pan and that Romney will emerge as front runner. Of course, it's still very early. 4 years ago at this time, it was almost a foregone conclusion that the 2008 election would be Hillary-Giuliani!
    I think you're right. Cain has a money problem, no ground game in the early states, no apparent ability to explain his own tax plan, and a propensity for off the cuff stupid remarks.

    But I'd vote for him (or a golden retriever, or, say, a tomato) against Obama any day. I just wonder what the *ahem* moderate sh76's of the world do if Cain pulls off the very unlikely. Do they vote for smaller govt or more of this socialist baloney we're seeing from Obama?
  7. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    18 Oct '11 03:38
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    I think you're right. Cain has a money problem, no ground game in the early states, no apparent ability to explain his own tax plan, and a propensity for off the cuff stupid remarks.

    But I'd vote for him (or a golden retriever, or, say, a tomato) against Obama any day. I just wonder what the *ahem* moderate sh76's of the world do if Cain pulls off the ...[text shortened]... y. Do they vote for smaller govt or more of this socialist baloney we're seeing from Obama?
    I'll give Cain a fair listen, but I hate the 9/9/9 plan. There are lots of things we need in this country; but regressive taxation and bigger deficits are not among them.
  8. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    18 Oct '11 04:51
    Originally posted by sh76
    I'll give Cain a fair listen, but I hate the 9/9/9 plan. There are lots of things we need in this country; but regressive taxation and bigger deficits are not among them.
    Well the 999 plan is never going to go anywhere. It's just an election gimmick like hope and change. I just want someone who won't veto a balanced budget amendment.
  9. 18 Oct '11 10:50
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    [b]I think you're right. Cain has a money problem,
    So tell me this, if Cain is a candidate for the "rich", then why the money problem? I would think that people like Soros and Buffett would be supporting the likes of Cain than Obama.
  10. 18 Oct '11 10:52 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Well the 999 plan is never going to go anywhere. It's just an election gimmick like hope and change. I just want someone who won't veto a balanced budget amendment.
    Is there any support in Congress from the GOP? It would seem to me that you would need a super majority within the GOP in both Houses to pass it like Obamacare who are actually for the plan. The chances of that NOT happeing I think are 999%.

    I will say that they probably have a better chance of passing the plan than say a balanced budget.
  11. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    18 Oct '11 13:38 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Well the 999 plan is never going to go anywhere. It's just an election gimmick like hope and change. I just want someone who won't veto a balanced budget amendment.
    The President does not have the power to veto a Constitutional Amendment. You need 2/3 of both Houses to propose an Amendment and 3/4 of the states to ratify.

    The President has no part in the process (other than whatever influence he can muster, of course).
  12. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    18 Oct '11 13:44
    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    Maybe Santorum will overcome his google problem and become the candidate?
    The link is down to 4th on the relevant Google search.
  13. 18 Oct '11 14:25
    Originally posted by whodey
    So tell me this, if Cain is a candidate for the "rich", then why the money problem? I would think that people like Soros and Buffett would be supporting the likes of Cain than Obama.
    If my memory serves me correctly I recall John McCain had less campaign funds than Ron Paul in the last election and then it all changed and McCain won the nomination. I don't think it means very much this early in the game.
  14. Standard member spruce112358
    Democracy Advocate
    18 Oct '11 14:39
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    I think you're right. Cain has a money problem, no ground game in the early states, no apparent ability to explain his own tax plan, and a propensity for off the cuff stupid remarks.

    But I'd vote for him (or a golden retriever, or, say, a tomato) against Obama any day. I just wonder what the *ahem* moderate sh76's of the world do if Cain pulls off the ...[text shortened]... y. Do they vote for smaller govt or more of this socialist baloney we're seeing from Obama?
    What about the electric fence?

    YahooNews:

    "While Mexico is deeply divided over a tumultuous drug war and tough economic times, the nation can always find unity in one sacred-cow issue: defending its migrants in El Norte. Almost every family in the country has members in the U.S., many sweating on fields, construction sites or in restaurants, and sending home dollars to keep ramshackle villages and city barrios alive. So when Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain joked about a killer electric fence to keep migrants out, political electric shocks surged rapidly south of the Rio Grande. From pulpits by the border to editorial offices in the capital, priests and editors vented their anger at comments they called "stupid," "barbaric" and "shameful.""

    Christ, we are supporting all of Mexico. Send the migrants home and every American will have two jobs to choose from. Wages will go through the roof, the debt will be paid off, the rich-poor ratio reduced.

    It's all good.

    Vote for Cain.
  15. 18 Oct '11 15:44
    Originally posted by sh76
    The link is down to 4th on the relevant Google search.
    Well, I guess he's made a small dent in it then. I guess his run for presidency will have accomplished something while he descends into further irrelevance.