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  1. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    15 Oct '14 12:58 / 1 edit
    60.4% in the 538 model:

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/senate-forecast/

    65% in the HuffPo model

    http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2014/senate-outlook

    Both models, incidentally, were built by people who lean left (not that it really matters).

    For those who have been so impressed by the effects of the ACA and think that all of the criticism of the President is GOP-inspired nonsense, would anyone care to speculate as to why many of the President's 2012 voters appear to be abandoning the Democratic party?
  2. 15 Oct '14 13:08
    It's the economy, stupid!

    Or is it?
  3. 15 Oct '14 13:18
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    It's the economy, stupid!

    Or is it?
    The GOP really is not running on anything other than people being pissed off with Obama.

    An example can be seen in Kentucky where a democrat candidate is refusing to say if she voted for Obama. Very odd.

    Then when the US gets 2 years of the GOP do nothings in Congress, including giving up on repealing Obamacare, they will all turn to Hillary.

    Wash, rinse, repeat.
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    15 Oct '14 13:26
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    It's the economy, stupid!

    Or is it?
    The economy is doing better now than it was in 2012.
  5. 15 Oct '14 13:31 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    The economy is doing better now than it was in 2012.
    Try telling that to anyone, they will laugh at you..

    People are paying more for their health care and everyone feels inflation at the grocery.

    The government is pumping money into the stock market as they further devalue the dollar, thus taking money out of everyones pockets to give to those on Wall Street......again.

    Part time jobs are replacing full time jobs. People are giving up looking for work. Income is barely keeping up with inflation.

    As the spending crisis generated in Washington begins to spiral out of control and inflation starts to explode and health care premiums continue to rise, it will all probably be blamed on the Tea Party in some way. If elected, the GOP will do NOTHING to stop all this, even if it were possible at this point.
  6. 15 Oct '14 14:11 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    Try telling that to anyone, they will laugh at you..

    People are paying more for their health care and everyone feels inflation at the grocery.

    The government is pumping money into the stock market as they further devalue the dollar, thus taking money out of everyones pockets to give to those on Wall Street......again.

    Part time jobs are replacing ful ...[text shortened]... . If elected, the GOP will do NOTHING to stop all this, even if it were possible at this point.
    Don't forget sh76 is a attorney in NYC.
    Quite sure he is not bagging groceries part time at the Piggly Wiggly, nights and weekends to make ends meet.
  7. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    15 Oct '14 15:24
  8. 15 Oct '14 15:34 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Don't forget sh76 is a attorney in NYC.
    Quite sure he is not bagging groceries part time at the Piggly Wiggly, nights and weekends to make ends meet.
    True, some people are insulated from all the crap done to the economy.

    No offense sh, but too bad we have attorneys running the government.
  9. 15 Oct '14 16:11
    Originally posted by sh76
    The economy is doing better now than it was in 2012.
    Especially with fuel prices lower just in time for the election. Incumbents will benefit wouldn't you agree? Is there a pattern here?
  10. 15 Oct '14 16:17
    Originally posted by sh76
    The economy is doing better now than it was in 2012.
    My point exactly.
  11. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    15 Oct '14 17:22
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    My point exactly.
    Yes, so if it's not the economy, what is it?

    I submit that it's, at least, partly, the ACA.
  12. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    15 Oct '14 17:24
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Don't forget sh76 is a attorney in NYC.
    Quite sure he is not bagging groceries part time at the Piggly Wiggly, nights and weekends to make ends meet.
    No; just alternate weekends.

    I'm not quite in NYC, but that's neither here nor there.

    Anyway, I'm basing the statement on economic indicators like GDP growth and unemployment, not my personal experience.
  13. 15 Oct '14 17:38
    Originally posted by sh76
    Yes, so if it's not the economy, what is it?

    I submit that it's, at least, partly, the ACA.
    Yeah, I guess so. I find it quite fascinating that even with a health care system that's the laughing stock of the industrialized world Americans are so intent on preventing changes to it.
  14. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    15 Oct '14 17:44
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Yeah, I guess so. I find it quite fascinating that even with a health care system that's the laughing stock of the industrialized world Americans are so intent on preventing changes to it.
    Because we want good changes, not bad changes.
  15. 15 Oct '14 17:55
    Originally posted by sh76
    Yes, so if it's not the economy, what is it?

    I submit that it's, at least, partly, the ACA.
    It's hard to figure out really, Obama is doing such a good job.

    I guess we will just ckeck it off as a head scratcher.