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Originally posted by sh76How do these Republicans think the federal budget will ever balance with all these tax cuts? The US government can't even pay it's bills now. It didn't balance under Bush or Obama, so it's going to magically balance with even less revenue than before the tax cuts?? Earth to the GOP...It does not add up!😞
Romney just promised an across the board 20% tax cut, abolishing the AMT and repealing the estate tax.
I think I'm gonna be sick.
😞
I'm voting for Mickey Mouse in the primary when it comes to New York.
:'(
Mitt, please tell me you're just BS-ing to suck up to the right wing nuts and that you really don't believe that what we need right now is another big tax cut for the rich.
Please, Mitt. Please.
Pretty please.
Originally posted by bill718Yup, I agree.
How do these Republicans think the federal budget will ever balance with all these tax cuts? The US government can't even pay it's bills as it is. It didn't balance under Bush or Obama, so it's going to magically balance with even less revenue than before the tax cuts?? It does not add up!😞
It's not quite as bad as thinking that the budget will balance by the passage of trillion dollar stimulus packages, but it's close.
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Originally posted by sh76Romney 40%, Palin 18%, Obama 42%.
Oh, I disagree with that (unless a strong third party candidate runs).
I think Romney will be at least a middle level strength candidate. As you said (albeit perhaps a little facetiously), he will move towards the center in the general.
McCain was probably no stronger a candidate than Romney and had the deck completely stacked against him with the market ibility at all of a 60-40 type election and would gladly give anyone 100 to 1 odds against it.
Originally posted by sh76Flat tax.
Romney just promised an across the board 20% tax cut, abolishing the AMT and repealing the estate tax.
I think I'm gonna be sick.
😞
I'm voting for Mickey Mouse in the primary when it comes to New York.
:'(
Mitt, please tell me you're just BS-ing to suck up to the right wing nuts and that you really don't believe that what we need right now is another big tax cut for the rich.
Please, Mitt. Please.
Pretty please.
FLAAAAAT TAX!
Fl-a-a-a-a-a-t t-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-x!
flattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattax
Starting to sound pretty good, isn't it? Totally fair. No loopholes. All income taxed at the same rate. Incredibly simple and efficient. Almost impossible to cheat. Rebates below a certain threshold.
Give in to the siren's song!
Originally posted by sh76
Oh, I disagree with that (unless a strong third party candidate runs).
I think Romney will be at least a middle level strength candidate. As you said (albeit perhaps a little facetiously), he will move towards the center in the general.
McCain was probably no stronger a candidate than Romney and had the deck completely stacked against him with the market ...[text shortened]... ibility at all of a 60-40 type election and would gladly give anyone 100 to 1 odds against it.
I would say that the best case realistic scenario for Obama is a repeat of his 2008 performance (a 7 point win, give or take). A double digit win would require a complete implosion by Romney or an incredible economic boom in the next several months (6% growth and 6% unemployment, perhaps).
I don't see any possibility at all of a 60-40 type election and would gladly give anyone 100 to 1 odds against it.
I would like to know this about campaign management strategy in general, before accepting that bet:
When a campaign sees that their candidate has the election clearly wrapped up WRT electoral vote predictions, do they back off on spending (and other commitments such as promised appointments or other goodies to gain endorsements) even though their popular vote results show only, say, a 53/47% popular vote outcome across the nation?
God knows they are spending little here in CA, we are only a cash cow.
A bet on the electoral vote outcome might be more interesting. See:
http://electoral-vote.com/
where Obama is projected at 2/3 of the electoral votes against "Republican."
Originally posted by spruce112358To include the same flat tax on ordinary income, capital gains, corporate income, gifts (bequeathing assets is a gift). No charitable or church exemptions. No off-shore tax shelters. No tax holidays for repatriation of foreign-earned assets. No tax exemptions for R&D. In fact, no exemptions, period. No distribution of tax revenues via subsidies, grants, or earmarks. Tighten the allowable range of arm's length transfer pricing. No same-year write-off for capital spending. Etc. etc.
Flat tax.
FLAAAAAT TAX!
Fl-a-a-a-a-a-t t-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-x!
flattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattaxflattax
Starting to sound pretty good, isn't it? Totally fair. No loopholes. All income taxed at the same rate. Incredibly simple and efficient. Almost impossible to cheat. Rebates below a certain threshold.
Give in to the siren's song!
Make tax fraud penalties, commensurate with the monetary amount involved (E.g, one year jail for each $1mm evaded. That's FLAT.)
It will be killed by the rich.
Originally posted by JS357
[quote]I would say that the best case realistic scenario for Obama is a repeat of his 2008 performance (a 7 point win, give or take). A double digit win would require a complete implosion by Romney or an incredible economic boom in the next several months (6% growth and 6% unemployment, perhaps).
I don't see any possibility at all of a 60-40 type election a ...[text shortened]... ral-vote.com/
where Obama is projected at 2/3 of the electoral votes against "Republican."
http://electoral-vote.com/
Uh, dude...
Look a little closer.
Those aren't "projections."
They're the results from 2008.
Originally posted by sh76I will look. Take that one for illustration, here's a better one.http://electoral-vote.com/
Uh, dude...
Look a little closer.
Those aren't "projections."
They're the results from 2008.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/on-electoral-map-obama-still-has-routes-to-victory-in-2012-despite-low-ratings/2011/11/06/gIQACdmLtM_story.html
Here's another: http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/2012/02/battleground_snapshot_gives_sl.php
"So, in this snapshot, Obama has a 36 electoral vote edge in the contest for 270 e.v.'s., according to the Real Clear Politics compilation. "
But the point was: Aren't electoral vote projections the indicator of success? Will those campaign promises be as forthcoming, if the % of popular vote is close but the electoral vote is a lock? Nobody is going to campaign harder just so I can win my bet. Do you offer the same 100-1 odds for a 20 percent Obama edge in electoral votes, say, 297 of them versus 243 for the opponent (assuming no third party)?
Originally posted by bill718Think? Think!?
How do these Republicans think the federal budget will ever balance with all these tax cuts?
[Cue redneck Texas drawl] "Thinkin' is socialism!"
And anyway Richie Mitt admits today that he doesn't actually know what the consequences of his latest tax "plan" would be. It's the first thing that's spilled out of his ten-sided mouth in two weeks that I actually believe.
Originally posted by JS357Obviously not. The context was a discussion of popular vote. You obviously can't compare that to electoral votes. A 60-40 popular vote win would mean about a 90-10 electoral vote win.
I will look. Take that one for illustration, here's a better one.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/on-electoral-map-obama-still-has-routes-to-victory-in-2012-despite-low-ratings/2011/11/06/gIQACdmLtM_story.html
Here's another: http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/2012/02/battleground_snapshot_gives_sl.php
"So, in this snapshot, Obam ...[text shortened]... n electoral votes, say, 297 of them versus 243 for the opponent (assuming no third party)?
Originally posted by JS357No they wouldn't. A) There are fewer rich, and B) Some of the rich are already for it.
To include the same flat tax on ordinary income, capital gains, corporate income, gifts (bequeathing assets is a gift). No charitable or church exemptions. No off-shore tax shelters. No tax holidays for repatriation of foreign-earned assets. No tax exemptions for R&D. In fact, no exemptions, period. No distribution of tax revenues via subsidies, grants, or ear ...[text shortened]... lved (E.g, one year jail for each $1mm evaded. That's FLAT.)
It will be killed by the rich.
Originally posted by moon1969You don't think third party candidates will get any votes??
My prediction if no significant third party candiate:
Obama 51.5% Romney 48.5%
With Obama winning most toss-up states and thus a signficant electoral win.
I agree Obama by 3 points over Romney, though.