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    Republican president Ronald Reagan said: “We lead the world because, unique among nations, we draw our people—our strength—from every country and every corner of the world. And by doing so we continuously renew and enrich our nation…. Thanks to each wave of new arrivals to this land of opportunity, we're a nation forever young, forever bursting with energy and new ideas, and always on the cutting edge, always leading the world to the next frontier. This quality is vital to our future as a nation. If we ever closed the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost.”
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    @phranny said
    Republican president Ronald Reagan said: “We lead the world because, unique among nations, we draw our people—our strength—from every country and every corner of the world. And by doing so we continuously renew and enrich our nation…. Thanks to each wave of new arrivals to this land of opportunity, we're a nation forever young, forever bursting with energy and new ideas, and ...[text shortened]... ation. If we ever closed the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost.”
    I concur...

    when they come here legally.
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    A lot more would be here legally if Trump had not killed the bipartisan border bill. His pet Christian nationalist squeaker of the house fell over and played dead at Trump's command. Trump was quoted as saying he did not want ANY credit to go to Biden so the border crisis goes on.
    That bill would have pumped 20 BILLION into hiring border agents, judges and the like but no, too much credit to Biden. Johnson would not even allow DEBATE on the bill much less votes.
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    Ronald was referring to the best from those countries. Not the bottom of the barrel which are the ones coming now.
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    @fartacus said
    Ronald was referring to the best from those countries. Not the bottom of the barrel which are the ones coming now.
    THANK YOU !
    These people act like engineers and rocket scientists are streaming across our border.
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    @cliff-mashburn said
    THANK YOU !
    These people act like engineers and rocket scientists are streaming across our border.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/09/14/education-levels-of-u-s-immigrants-are-on-the-rise/
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    @athousandyoung said
    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/09/14/education-levels-of-u-s-immigrants-are-on-the-rise/
    They are talking about LEGAL immigrants, not the quarter million a month of drek coming across our border.
    And you KNOW that, you are just being dishonest about things as usual.
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    @sh76 said
    I concur...

    when they come here legally.
    I wrote this once:
    "We can’t open our country’s borders to everyone in the world fleeing bad conditions. That’s a band-aid. No one has enough room, and it doesn’t solve the problem. How can we address the reasons people leave? How do we give people worldwide the power to fix their own countries? I think there is an obvious answer: reform the United Nations.

    Refugees flee from countries where their rights are not protected or where the standard of living is bad. We would all want to do that, but the world is too crowded now to permit large numbers of people to suddenly migrate from place to place.

    The rise of despotic governments and failed states around the world means the number of refugees is increasing. In some cases, countries might still opt to absorb refugees charitably. However, people in prospective ‘host’ countries have paid for years to establish states which protect their rights. New arrivals crossing the boundary want to take advantage of protection they have not paid for. Who covers the cost of justice for these immigrants? Expecting hosts to pay to protect the rights of all these folks is unfair.

    People around the world need to have the power to fix the places where they live.
    No one country can do this and most nation-building efforts, however well-intentioned, fail. But it is in everyone’s interest to boost self-determination worldwide, and one of the best ways to do that is by reforming the United Nations into a truly democratic body.

    The main problem with the UN is that unelected bureaucrats have no democratic authority to do anything – let alone act to protect people’s rights. Our appointed UN ambassadors are an issue. We The People should be voting for true UN representatives which would give the UN the democratic legitimacy it lacks today.
    It follows immediately that the UN should only consist only of nations that conduct free and fair elections. It was always a serious mistake to allow dictatorships to join the UN. What do Russia or China or Syria or Iran add to the community of nations? They only serve to block the UN from protecting people’s rights. Such countries can be excluded from UN representation on the grounds that their governments do not represent their people because they NEVER hold free and fair elections.

    As with any democratic government, in addition to elected representatives, the UN would need enumerated powers, checks and balances, and a bill of rights. The UN charter should have clearly delimited powers – primarily to protect the rights of individuals in countries where their own governments refuse to do so. This means holding the power to intervene when states violate some or all of their own citizen’s rights. Oppression and war are the two primary causes of mass/unwanted/illegal immigration, and the UN is the natural body to address such problems.

    But is world government really the solution to unchecked immigration? Many people voice concerns about this, but as long as our world government is a fully democratic one, the benefits outweigh the risks. To repeat: voting for representatives, enumerated powers, checks and balances, and a bill of rights are the elements that establish a legitimate democratic government. This not about ‘letting countries be ruled by the UN.’ This is about defending the rights of individuals when their own governments refuse to do so and eliminating wars between nations – the two main causes of refugeeship in the first place.

    Once it is legitimate, the UN may vote on a broad range of options to prevent people from needing to flee their own countries. Send aid? Set up peacekeeping forces? Establish trade embargoes? Arm a resistance? Conduct military intervention? Nothing should be off the table when defending people’s rights is at stake. When it comes to member states, which are by definition democratic nations, the UN should have a measured approach which respects the sovereignty of those nations. With non-member, non-democratic states, the UN can act more forcefully.

    Countries ruled by dictators will of course hate and oppose this solution – too bad. It will be up the UN NOT to take actions that precipitate world war, but leaving people living for generations under dictatorships isn’t a long-term solution. Despotic governments need to be rolled back and converted to democracy one by one.

    This is the world’s problem and the world has to act together to solve it."
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    @cliff-mashburn said
    They are talking about LEGAL immigrants, not the quarter million a month of drek coming across our border.
    And you KNOW that, you are just being dishonest about things as usual.
    25% of the immigrants they refer to are illegal. This is their source:

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/Annual-Number-of-US-Legal-Permanent-Residents

    About one-quarter of the U.S. foreign-born population is unauthorized immigrants, while the majority of the nation’s immigrants are in the U.S. legally. Naturalized citizens account for the largest portion of the foreign-born population (45😵.
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    @athousandyoung said
    25% of the immigrants they refer to are illegal. This is their source:

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/Annual-Number-of-US-Legal-Permanent-Residents

    About one-quarter of the U.S. foreign-born population is unauthorized immigrants, while the majority of the nation’s immigrants are in the U.S. legally. Naturalized citizens account for the largest portion of the foreign-born population (45😵.
    So you're telling me that 17% of the illegal imigrants are college grads like the legal ones?
    Man you suck for trying to infer that.
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    @cliff-mashburn said
    So you're telling me that 17% of the illegal imigrants are college grads like the legal ones?
    Man you suck for trying to infer that.
    For a teacher your English is not very good. The word is imply.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/09/14/education-levels-of-u-s-immigrants-are-on-the-rise/

    Latin American immigrants, by contrast, tend to have lower levels of education. The vast majority of Mexican immigrants (81.2% ) and Central American immigrants (74.6% ) had a high school degree or less, the lowest educational attainment level of any origin region.
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    @athousandyoung said
    25% of the immigrants they refer to are illegal. This is their source:

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/Annual-Number-of-US-Legal-Permanent-Residents

    About one-quarter of the U.S. foreign-born population is unauthorized immigrants, while the majority of the nation’s immigrants are in the U.S. legally. Naturalized citizens account for the largest portion of the foreign-born population (45😵.
    A really interesting series is 'Jamestown' on Amazon. Came out in 2019.

    Offers a new perspective on the view that 'them damn immigrants ain't no damn good!'
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    Funny how a republican POTUS, Reagan, had a speech hailing immigrants. My how the repub party has changed its stripes eh.
    I should say the FORMER republican party since it is officially the TRUMPIAN party now, including the head of the RNC run by Trump's daughter in law, who BTW fired a bunch of repubs there, hiring new ones who have to say the 2020 election was stolen.
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    @sonhouse said
    @spruce112358
    Funny how a republican POTUS, Reagan, had a speech hailing immigrants. My how the repub party has changed its stripes eh.
    I should say the FORMER republican party since it is officially the TRUMPIAN party now, including the head of the RNC run by Trump's daughter in law, who BTW fired a bunch of repubs there, hiring new ones who have to say the 2020 election was stolen.
    It shows how far off the rails the GOP is - but also how truly depressed rural America has become, that they could be taken in by a New York conman.

    I don't think any previous Republican President would support Trump. He's currently vying with Andrew Johnson as the worst President in US history.
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