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Kevin Eleven

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When I learned yesterday that Kharkiv was largly Russian-speaking, it seemed strange to me that Putin would attack that city and expect its residents to praise him and welcome the Russian troops.

Then I learned that Russian is widely spoken in Ukraine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine

[in contrast to many other Eastern European countries where children some decades ago might have been forced to learn Russian in school because of Soviet domination]

Nevertheless, nothing says "restoring Russian Christendom" quite like bombing civilians and hospitals.

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@kevin-eleven said
When I learned yesterday that Kharkiv was largly Russian-speaking, it seemed strange to me that Putin would attack that city and expect its residents to praise him and welcome the Russian troops.

Then I learned that Russian is widely spoken in Ukraine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine

[in contrast to many other Eastern European countries w ...[text shortened]... vertheless, nothing says "restoring Russian Christendom" quite like bombing civilians and hospitals.
Motivating Putin’s attacks in part are discriminatory laws against Russians that Ukraine passed a few years ago.

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@kevin-eleven said
When I learned yesterday that Kharkiv was largly Russian-speaking, it seemed strange to me that Putin would attack that city and expect its residents to praise him and welcome the Russian troops.

Then I learned that Russian is widely spoken in Ukraine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine

[in contrast to many other Eastern European countries w ...[text shortened]... vertheless, nothing says "restoring Russian Christendom" quite like bombing civilians and hospitals.
Nevertheless, nothing says "restoring Russian Christendom" quite like bombing civilians and hospitals.


Sadly, Putin is living in the past. He thought this invasion was going to be a repeat of Operation Danube, the joint invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 by the Warsaw pact. Putin has forgotten that Ukraine has been independent for the better part of 3 decades and most of its citizens want it to stay that way. Arms and aid are now getting to the Ukraine military from multiple sources. They'll be no easy win for Vladimir.

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@mchill - Nevertheless, nothing says "restoring Russian Christendom" quite like bombing civilians and hospitals.

uh oh. I get the sense we are in agreement about something,, again!

It must be Lent! 😏

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@earl-of-trumps said
@mchill - Nevertheless, nothing says "restoring Russian Christendom" quite like bombing civilians and hospitals.

uh oh. I get the sense we are in agreement about something,, again!

It must be Lent! 😏
uh oh. I get the sense we are in agreement about something,, again!

Perhaps a shift in the space-time continuum? 😉

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@athousandyoung said
Motivating Putin’s attacks in part are discriminatory laws against Russians that Ukraine passed a few years ago.
I don't have a thing against Russians in general, but did you ever live in Stalinist times, waiting for that 3 AM knock on the door, knowing that your little bug-out bag wouldn't be enough to save you or your family?

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The problem, I think, is that the Soviets drew up very generous borders for Ukraine. And why not? It was all done with the understanding that Ukraine was part of a larger entity known as the USSR. And I think it was only in the 1950s, sometime, when the Crimean peninsula was transferred from Russia proper to Ukrainian administration despite it being something like 90% Russian. Again, why not? Moscow ultimately ruled over everything, so it was no skin off the nose of the ordinary Russian.

Borders should have been renegotiated and redrawn back in 1991 when Ukraine bailed out of the USSR. There was too much chaos at the time, though, and Moscow had its hands full.

Ukraine east of the Dnieper river is mostly Russian -- or at least huge swaths of it are. It's quite a tangle.

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Russian and Ukrainian are very similar languages. I've taken two cracks at learning Russian myself. Some of it has stuck, but it's a damn difficult language. The only way I can tell written Ukrainian from written Russian, usually, is by spotting the "i" letter that the Ukrainian alphabet has which the Russian alphabet doesn't. The equivalent letter in Russian is an upside-down capital N.

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@soothfast said
@Kevin-Eleven

The problem, I think, is that the Soviets drew up very generous borders for Ukraine. And why not? It was all done with the understanding that Ukraine was part of a larger entity known as the USSR. And I think it was only in the 1950s, sometime, when the Crimean peninsula was transferred from Russia proper to Ukrainian administration despite it being some ...[text shortened]... t of the Dnieper river is mostly Russian -- or at least huge swaths of it are. It's quite a tangle.
Good post when I heard about Russia invading Crimea I thought that’s weird isn’t it already Russian. Your right this should have been returned to Russia along with other ethnically Russian parts of Ukraine in the east. I don’t think it’s too late for that but none of it justifies what Putin is doing right now and given that he already de facto has them this is more about the expansion of Russia as far as his military can take it.
I wonder if the folks who were convinced that he would never invade Ukraine are just as convinced that he will stop at the Ukraines western border if he manages to get there

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