Originally posted by VargIt's not a question of making 'anti-gay' comments but of voicing a disapproval of sodomy/buggery.
I know of many people who openly make anti-gay comments which they don't seem the think is unusual.
I wouldn't call any of these people right-wing (and certainly not religious), in fact they have varying political views.
I would just call them "normal" people - men in the street as they say.
Most of my friends and all of my work colleagues have a more liberal attitude, though.
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageI like the theme tune to Postman Pat.
That must be why you keep on going on about it, eh.
George Michael's not for me. When it comes to music made by gay musicians, I prefer Death in June and Coil. www.brainwashed.com
'Postman Pat... Postman Pat...
Postman Pat and his black and white cat... (dum dum dum)
Early in the morning
While everyone's still snoring...'
Something something
'Postman Pat's a pretty decent bloke'.
That's a pretty gay tune. But gay in its original sense. I reckon pat was dropping off more than a subscription to 'Farmers' Monthly' at Mrs. Brown's shop, if you catch my drift. Postman Pat, you old dog. Heh heh heh.
Originally posted by PhilodorDo you disapprove of sodomy commited between a man and a woman? And which definition of sodomy are you using? The popular (read: wrong) definition (anal sex) or the dictionary definition (oral, anal, pretty much anything not vanilla)?
It's not a question of making 'anti-gay' comments but of voicing a disapproval of sodomy/buggery.
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundGiven that there is evidence of homosexual behaviour going back thousands of years, how do you figure it to be unnatural?
I'm against two same parent adoption, on the grounds that it is putting a child in a setting that will shape its future growth and thinking, one that is unnatural.
Granted it's not the norm, and clearly the fate of our species would probably rest on it remaining only a minority - but then there's no suggestion that homosexuality is growing in any way. The media probably reports on it more nowadays, but that's the same of many phenomena.
So again to my question, how is it unnatural?
Originally posted by amannionI don't think you should use a kid to find out if it is normal or not, that's worse than testing on animals.
Given that there is evidence of homosexual behaviour going back thousands of years, how do you figure it to be unnatural?
Granted it's not the norm, and clearly the fate of our species would probably rest on it remaining only a minority - but then there's no suggestion that homosexuality is growing in any way. The media probably reports on it more nowadays, but that's the same of many phenomena.
So again to my question, how is it unnatural?
Said it one and will say it again. Gay people deserve respect,
the same as any other group who acts within the law
and respects others (environmentalists, krishnas, etc. even
monster truck fans). BUT that doesn't erase the fact
that the cornerstone that defines them can be converted into
universal law for pure aristotelic reasons.
Any time you want to figure out the intrinsec goodness of
something, theoreticaly apply it to the whole species and if it
extinguishes it, then you cannot apply the value as a universal
truth that may be released widespread to develop freely
in societal terms. Ergo, there is no science in saying that
if all the world would be homosexual the human species would
disappear, ergo, thoug it is a respectable stance for anybody,
it cannot apply to all and it should be left to its normal
development, not to foster it nor promote it.
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundI would've thought it obvious from my post, but I clearly don't think homosexuality is anything other than 'normal'. It doesn't need to be homosexuality versus heterosexuality, as if one is normal and the other not. They are two aspects of sexuality in humans - and I might add, have both been documented in Bonobos (Pygmy Chimps) so are not exclusive to our species.
I don't think you should use a kid to find out if it is normal or not, that's worse than testing on animals.
So, it's not about experimenting - simply accepting that there is more than one 'normal' and getting on with our lives.
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundI can not believe YOU said THAT, HH! I might just have drawn the wrong conclusion about the political animal you are...
I'm against two same parent adoption, on the grounds that it is putting a child in a setting that will shape its future growth and thinking, one that is unnatural.
You'll probably change your mind now 🙁, but for talking sense you just went up several points on my patented respect-o-scale TM.🙂
Originally posted by amannionIt is unnatural because natural sexual desire draws a man and a woman together, or a male and female, if you like. Of course, we as a species are unique in that we have developed sex into a recreational sport, if you like, but that does not rule out the reason for sex existing in the first place, and that is procreation. That is the most natural of desires, and arguably the reason for our existence.
Given that there is evidence of homosexual behaviour going back thousands of years, how do you figure it to be unnatural?
Granted it's not the norm, and clearly the fate of our species would probably rest on it remaining only a minority - but then there's no suggestion that homosexuality is growing in any way. The media probably reports on it more nowadays, but that's the same of many phenomena.
So again to my question, how is it unnatural?
Quite simple.
Originally posted by SeitseNothing to do with this topic, but... Hey Seitse, where are you from, mate, just out of interest? I thought you were English living in the Baltic. What's the deal?
Said it one and will say it again. Gay people deserve respect,
the [b]same as any other group who acts within the law
and respects others (environmentalists, krishnas, etc. even
monster truck fans). BUT that doesn't erase the fact
that the cornerstone that defines them can be converted into
universal law for pure aristotelic reasons. ...[text shortened]... all and it should be left to its normal
development, not to foster it nor promote it.[/b]
Originally posted by sjegLong story, mate. But no, not English. I was born in that small U.S.
Nothing to do with this topic, but... Hey Seitse, where are you from, mate, just out of interest? I thought you were English living in the Baltic. What's the deal?
protectorate (South of Texas) called Mexico 😞
Then exiled myself to Estonia.
Now in Finland.